# Rep. Jack Kingston of Georgia on Bill Maher: Jesus what a fucking dumbass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2011, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394 "2011-01-29T08:41:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/81 "2011-01-30T17:02:37Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > The above may be one of the greatest posts of its type in the history of this board. It takes a great talent indeed to express such utterly inane opinions on three such wildly differing topics, in a single sentence. Bravo, sir; I salute you. I count only two. As for the topics… scaring the world about global warming and protecting your use of the race card to score political points do have some things in common. ---
**Author:** ![hansel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@hansel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hansel)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/82 "2011-01-30T17:09:35Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Oh, I don’t know… maybe for the same reason that the \*\*race card \*\*started flying instead of defenses of the intelligence of most of the black ladies. You know when the race card gets played? When someone says something racist. No one here is defending the intelligence of black ladies because doing so accepts the racist and wrongheaded premise that black ladies aren’t as intelligent in general. Let’s argue about how often you beat your wife instead. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/83 "2011-01-30T17:11:30Z")
Global warming happens to be a fact, and yelling out “race card” does not mean you didn’t say something racist. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/84 "2011-01-30T17:19:02Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > I count only two. Creationism vs. Evolution, Global Warming and Black Ladies in Congress. I believe your count is slightly off. > [@](#): > > As for the topics… scaring the world about global warming and protecting your use of the race card to score political points do have some things in common. Well, no, they don’t. Feel free to prove the preceding assertion wrong. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/85 "2011-01-30T17:25:14Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > I count only two. > > As for the topics… scaring the world about global warming and protecting your use of the race card to score political points do have some things in common. Not caring about a member of the national legislature being a creationist is pretty inane. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_the\_Immortal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Max\_the\_Immortal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_the_Immortal)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/86 "2011-01-30T17:25:31Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Global warming happens to be a fact, and yelling out “race card” does not mean you didn’t say something racist. But what if you put **race card** in bold? Does it work then? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/87 "2011-01-30T17:33:34Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > As for the topics… scaring the world about global warming and protecting your use of the race card to score political points do have some things in common. > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Well, no, they don’t. Feel free to prove the preceding assertion wrong. Sure they do. Both of them are non-sequiturs wrt people who are pointing and laughing at **What the … !!!** in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/88 "2011-01-30T17:35:42Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Sure they do. Both of them are non-sequiturs wrt people who are pointing and laughing at **What the … !!!** in this thread. Yep. I stand corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/89 "2011-01-30T17:55:27Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > As for the topics… scaring the world about global warming and protecting your use of the race card to score political points do have some things in common. Listen you mushed-brained disgrace to conservative thought, you were the one who brought up race and you’re the one who. . . Waitaminit-- what does scaring the world about global warning and using the race card have in common? I mean, besides you using the terms in the same sentence? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/90 "2011-01-30T18:23:11Z")
The vast majority of scientists believe global warming is a serious threat. You can always find a guy or 2 who don’t believe. But they have no parity. The naysayers should be read. But they should not have the same status because they reject so much science to prop up their beliefs. Should an occasional ambulance chaser define the law profession? Should a bad doctor bring the medical profession down? Should a doctor who believes in weird medicine get the same treatment as the rest? They all have their followers. But the body of evidence refutes their position. Most likely, the climate deniers, ambulance chasers and weird medical professionals should be grouped together as the anomalies they are. They do not balance the equation. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/91 "2011-01-30T18:48:45Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Listen you mushed-brained disgrace to conservative thought, you were the one who brought up race and you’re the one who. . . > > Waitaminit-- what does scaring the world about global warning and using the race card have in common? I mean, besides you using the terms in the same sentence? What I think **What the … !!!** is attempting to do is to say that racism and Global Warming are fake bogeymen (yeah right, in Arizona I get to endure both), if there is any connection among conservatives is that they both deny that there are problems that they (conservatives) are making worse by their constant attempts to make the US government unresponsive to both issues. What is becoming clear is that climate deniers are put now by men of science and academia in the same column as deniers of vaccines, deniers of the virus causing AIDS and other crackpots. > **[Paul Nurse: science under attack](http://hot-topic.co.nz/paul-nurse-science-under-attack/)** > > Paul Nurse is the new President of the Royal Society. His predecessor Martin Rees was firm in his insistence on the seriousness of climate science and climate change, and Nurse is equally so. In a … > [@](#): > > Paul Nurse is the new President of the Royal Society. His predecessor Martin Rees was firm in his insistence on the seriousness of climate science and climate change, and Nurse is equally so. In a striking BBC Horizon documentary Science Under Attack he examines why public trust in scientific theory appears to have diminished, especially in relation to climate change. The documentary is not available from the BBC for viewers outside the UK, but it has been [uploaded to YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/user/MultiInternetfreak#p/u/5/o2wMGU8-2bE), broken into six segments. > [@](#): > > He visits NASA and talks with Robert Bindschadler, who shows him in visualisation how satellites (16-18 from NASA and a similar number from other agencies) circling the globe are gathering enormous amounts of data related to climate. Three quarters of a degree of warming over the last fifty years will be matched by at least another three quarters of a degree over the next fifty even if we do nothing more to modify the climate. Asked whether this could be a natural fluctuation Bindschadler acknowledges that there have been times in the past when the Earth has been warmer than it is today, with less ice and higher sea level, and times colder than it is today, with much more ice and lower sea level. However in the past climate changed very gradually whereas it’s now changing really fast, and it’s the pace of change that is so important in the climate change that we’re living through right now. > [@](#): > > Nurse then visits James Delingpole, one of the journalists prominent in proclaiming the climategate email scandal. He is perfectly polite with Delingpole, but his gentle questioning elicits from the interviewee the brash certainties of a man who has no knowledge of the solidity of the scientific consensus on the causes of global warming but is an articulate and bellicose proponent of the theories of the deniers, accepting the few scientists among them as authoritative interpreters of the peer reviewed science which he himself doesn’t read. Nurse is surely right to see an unholy mix of the media and politics as distorting the proper reporting of science. > > He acknowledges the problem of uncertainties, particularly in projecting the future and particularly in projecting cloud formation. But a fascinating picturing at NASA displays how the uncertainties are reducing. Bindschadler shows him a screen, along the upper half of which real global cloud data is pictured and in the lower half what the models predict would be happening at the same time. It’s a test of the models, and the level of their accuracy is astonishing to Nurse. Binsdschadler is clear there will always be some uncertainties because there are processes which are not fully understood, but by the measure of reducing uncertainties the science is making extraordinary progress. When I see deniers like Delingpole, it is like watching people like Starving Artist and What the … !!! in action. [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/36Xu3SQcIE0/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCOADEOgC8quKqQMa8AEB-AH-BIAC6AKKAgwIABABGGUgUyhDMA8=&rs=AOn4CLAjg7r__sZhlhY8HARxwB48wkFIuA "James Delingpole doesn't do science - he's "an interpreter of interpretations".") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Xu3SQcIE0) (Short piece of the documentary showing that waste of carbon Dellingpole is by being proud of not reading the science papers he then criticizes in articles that are accepted for some stupid reason by mainstream media as points made by an “expert”). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/92 "2011-01-30T18:49:26Z")
Are **What the…** … and **Starving Artists** duking it out for primacy, to be the number one reactionary Ricky Retardo? **Starkers** got the experience, time in grade, so to speak, a couple years. Also older, the stuff he remembers that never happened didn’t happen a long time ago. **What the…** works in short, pissy jabs, seldom more than twenty words in a post, whereas **Starkers** can rare back and hit you with a tidal wave of horseshit, but since neither ever really connect to anything outside a self-referential universe, its hard to judge the effect. Kind of like shadow boxing, but the shadow hits harder. Plus, Starkers experience shows in strategy, his rope-a-Doper ploy of dropping a turd into the punchbowl, then returning to his corner and sitting down before the bell rings. Gotta go tape another Most Interesting Man spot, gotta do a quick stint as Wilford Brimley’s stunt duouble. Then when you turn around, whap! nerf-ball rabbit punch, he’s back, no wait, he’s gone… About the same, footwork wise, neither of them ever, ever slips into the factual or the falsifiable. But \*\*Starkers \*\*relys on the massive, he doesn’t paint with a broad brush, but with a firehose. But **What the…** offers some variety in redumbdancy, he says a different stupid thing every once in a while, whereas **Starkers** could have cut and pasted a post from five years ago and we wouldn’t notice any difference. There can be only one. We hope. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/93 "2011-01-30T22:34:38Z")
I already don’t notice any difference between any of **SA** ’s posts, but I cheat to get that level of sameness. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/94 "2011-01-30T22:58:53Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > If Lee Atwater said it, then Lee Atwater was full of shit. > > See how easy that was? 🙂 > > And besides, Atwater was largely a functionary in Reagan’s election campaigns under Ed Rollins and hardly in a position to “implement” anything. > > Besides, [according to Wiki he gave that interview anonymously](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater). It’s obviously merely his take on things. It’s quite a stretch to claim that by promising to cut taxes and reduce welfare benefits (which many people oppose philosophically no matter who gets it) will automatically make everyone in the South think “Hey, cool! He’s talking about sticking it to the niggers!” For one thing the voting public isn’t that perceptive, and for another there are like I said perfectly legitimate reasons to oppose both welfare and tax increases. The whole idea is ludicrous.) > > I stand by every word I said about that statement, no matter who said it, for the very reasons I explained. > > (And you’ll recall that I said **Madmonk28** posted it - without attribution, I might add - not that he said it himself.) Wow, you are just plain dumb. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/95 "2011-01-30T23:19:53Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > (And you’ll recall that I said **Madmonk28** posted it - **without attribution** , I might add - not that he said it himself.) (Emphasis added) [QUOTE=Madmonk28] BTW, have you ever heard of the Southern Strategy, or this great quote **from Lee Atwater** : [/QUOTE] (Emphasis also added) Today’s debate question: does SA figure he’s got so little credibility he might as well just make shit up, or is he just really, really stupid? Or is it some from Column A, some from Column B? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/96 "2011-01-30T23:37:38Z")
Just interjecting that Lee Atwater (who, btw, was GHWB’s 1988 campaign manager, **SA** :rolleyes: Remember Willie Horton? He was then RNC Chairman) was an almost unique real-world case of repenting on one’s deathbed. Let’s give him credit for that much, at least. Even if Ed Rollins said “”[Atwater] was telling this story about how a Living Bible was what was giving him faith and I said to Mary, ‘I really, sincerely hope that he found peace.’ She said, ‘Ed, when we were cleaning up his things afterwards, the Bible was still wrapped in the cellophane and had never been taken out of the package,’ which just told you everything there was. He was spinning right to the end." ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2011, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/97 "2011-01-31T00:03:05Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > **SA** , I’m originally from the deep south and I can tell you that people down there get the coded language just fine. It’s not that everybody in the south is racist (the younger generations, in particular have grown out of it and are even more contemptuous and disgusted with it than yankees from intimate familiarity), but I know for a fact that words like “taxes” and “welfare” have a racial resonance down there. One of the greatest ironies is that many if not most of the white welfare and food-stamp and similar government assistance program recipients I’ve known have been _more_ racist, not less, when it comes to blacks getting assistance, eternally lamenting that they’d get more help if they were black. Two quotes that the OP brings to mind: > [@](#): > > John Stuart Mill: > _Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative._ > [@](#): > > [John Cleese discussing](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR3eUjD6y6o) Sarah Palin in particular and American voters in general: > _The interesting thing about Americans is that they are remarkably un-envious about money…they are very generous about rich people, because they all think “I might get …there one day”. What they don’t like by and large, the core republican vote, is anyone who is more intelligent than them, who is more graceful than they are, who is more sophisticated than they are. So they want, as a leader, somebody that they feel is their equal, because they feel comfortable with someone like that. The envy of the very qualities that you need in a president is incredibly self-destructive for the American nation._ ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2011, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/98 "2011-01-31T02:59:11Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Listen you mushed-brained disgrace to conservative thought, you were the one who brought up race and you’re the one who. . . > > Waitaminit-- what does scaring the world about global warning and using the race card have in common? I mean, besides you using the terms in the same sentence? I think is has something to do with global warming making Europe more like Africa, which would eventually make Europeans more like Africans, which would show natural adaptation, which is evidence of evolution, which makes humans animals and not God’s Special Creation, which would make **What the…** and the baby Jesus cry. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2011, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/99 "2011-01-31T04:05:26Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Global warming happens to be a fact, and yelling out “race card” does not mean you didn’t say something racist. But if you keep writing it in bold, that changes _everything_! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2011, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/100 "2011-01-31T04:34:44Z")
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