# Rep. Jack Kingston of Georgia on Bill Maher: Jesus what a fucking dumbass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2011, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394 "2011-01-29T08:41:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2011, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/121 "2011-01-31T21:13:05Z")
I have a cup of gasoline - can I toss it on and play? Congresscritters would believe in evolution if the left-wing union thugs teaching in our public schools would actually endorse it. [http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/science/study-most-high-school-biology.html](http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/science/study-most-high-school-biology.html) > [@](#): > > - About 13 percent of biology teachers “explicitly advocate creationism or intelligent design by spending at least one hour of class time presenting it in a positive light.” Creationists do not believe in Darwin’s theory of evolution. > > - The rest, about 60 percent, “fail to explain the nature of scientific inquiry, undermine the authority of established experts, and legitimize creationist arguments.” > > These teachers, the researchers said, try to avoid controversy by using one of several different strategies that include : > > - Teaching evolutionary biology as if it applies only to molecular biology and failing to to explain evidence that one species gives rise to other species. > > - Telling students they don’t have to “believe” in evolution but they have to know it for tests. > > - Telling students to make up their own minds – even though scientists say that they are as certain of the validity of evolution as they are of other scientific principles taken as fact. Since teachers are all democrats, you can’t blame the republicans for not believing in evolution. Obviously. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2011, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/122 "2011-01-31T21:22:56Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > No, conservatives only believe in giving undeserved passing grades to the kids who are good at football. Exactly. If **SA** thinks this is a liberal tenet, he’s sadly mistaken. The only times I’ve known students to be given a pass was so they could stay on the team. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/123 "2011-01-31T21:25:17Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Exactly. If **SA** thinks this is a liberal tenet, he’s sadly mistaken. The only times I’ve known students to be given a pass was so they could stay on the team. I have seen it in schools in Brooklyn so that the graduation rate stays within parameters. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2011, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/124 "2011-01-31T22:08:44Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > I have a cup of gasoline - can I toss it on and play? > > Congresscritters would believe in evolution if the left-wing union thugs teaching in our public schools would actually endorse it. > > [http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/science/study-most-high-school-biology.html](http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/science/study-most-high-school-biology.html) > > Since teachers are all democrats, you can’t blame the republicans for not believing in evolution. Obviously. Obviously that last stat (The one were you claim all are democrats) is pulled out of someone’s ass. Nah, most lean conservative, and it is more likely that teachers waffle on the issue so as to make the less waves so as to get less angry parents on the next PTA meet. [http://www.schoolreport.com/vbe/nlet/09\_02\_03.htm](http://www.schoolreport.com/vbe/nlet/09_02_03.htm) > [@](#): > > - POLITICAL LEANINGS. These questions produced some curious results. NEA found that 45 percent of teachers are Democrats, 28 percent are Republicans, and 27 percent have no party affiliation. NEA’s own political surveys, taken after each election cycle, show similar results.\*\* But when asked about political philosophy, 56 percent of teachers described themselves as conservative or “tend to be conservative” while only 44 percent said they were liberal or “tend to be liberal.”\*\* ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/125 "2011-02-01T01:30:54Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Has Gallup done a poll on how many liberals think it’s a good idea to do drugs, implement revolving-door jails, fail miserably at educating students, wreck the family unit and drag society into the gutter? > [@](#): > > No, I’m not making them up. I heard and read one or the other coming from lefties constantly from the late sixties to somewhere around the mid-to-late eighties, by which time the justice system had become so FUBARed that people were no longer shocked by what was going on and had begun to regard it as normal. What you’re not getting is that liberalism is about change, about learning from the recent past, about re-evaluation and reform. Conservatism is the belief that traditional societal norms have been entirely correct all along. There is no reform, only corruption. So to the extent that your characterization is not a stereotype, no doubt very few Democrats active today fit it. Every 15 years or so you need to wipe the slate clean and base your assessment of liberals on what their stated positions actually currently are. I don’t think the average conservative today is all that racist, but that means they’re being _liberal_ on that particular issue. They’ve reformed or embraced the reformed view. Conservatism itself still includes racism because that doesn’t change. So the 80s is too far back to go for liberals, but the 60s is nothing for conservatives. After all, the congressman in the OP is getting his marching orders from 1300 BC! ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2011, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/126 "2011-02-01T01:47:20Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Has Gallup done a poll on how many liberals think it’s a good idea to do drugs, implement revolving-door jails, fail miserably at educating students, wreck the family unit and drag society into the gutter? And don’t forget sex! We get credit for sex! ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/127 "2011-02-01T02:26:58Z")
> [@sqweels](#): > > And don’t forget sex! We get credit for sex! No, no, no; conservatives get credit for sex, liberals get blame for unwed pregnancies. The two subjects are completely unrelated. Or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2011, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/128 "2011-02-01T05:28:55Z")
> [@sqweels](#): > > And don’t forget sex! We get credit for sex! But only in the mud! ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2011, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/129 "2011-02-01T08:14:37Z")
Republicans get credit for bad sex and for hot closeted sex in mens’ rooms in airports, Florida rest stops and anywhere else they can slip away from their constituents long enough to do some polling. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2011, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/130 "2011-02-01T14:36:12Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > As for the topics… scaring the world about global warming and protecting your use of the race card to score political points do have some things in common. :rolleyes: Errmmm, no they don’t, **What.** ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2011, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/131 "2011-02-01T15:01:51Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Are **What the..**.. and **Starving Artists** **duking it out for primacy** , to be the number one reactionary Ricky Retardo? Wouldn’t that be considered a form of evolution, then? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2011, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/132 "2011-02-01T15:07:31Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Wouldn’t that be considered a form of evolution, then? > 🙂 If we allow for the underappreciated fact that evolution is essentially non-teleological, then, yes. ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2011, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/133 "2011-02-01T15:29:51Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > No, no, no; conservatives get credit for sex, liberals get blame for unwed pregnancies. The two subjects are completely unrelated. To bring things back around to the non-funny side, no. Conservatives are still pushing abstinence-till-marriage even though it’s a rare conservative who obeys that rule. So if you’re getting laid, thank a liberal. As for unwanted pregnancies, of course conservatives are to blame for them–and for dragging the schools into the gutter–because of their opposition to birth control. ---
**Author:** ![Steampunk\_Willie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Steampunk\_Willie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steampunk_Willie)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/134 "2011-02-02T11:07:16Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Now, as to intelligence, during my lifetime I have seen: the family unit rent asunder, with the result that millions of kids have no adult guidance and supervision; drug use and its associated crime explode exponentially; the evolvement of a revolving-door prision systems that results in felons with multiple major convictions walking the streets committing murders, rapes and robberies while still in their twenties; the rise of entertainment and music that glamorizes crime and misogyny and fosters all sorts of negative character traits; and an educational system that began passing kids from one grade to the next because to flunk them would harm their “self-esteem”. Each of these is directly attributable to liberalism in one way or another, and none of them in my opinion rises in intelligence anywhere near to the belief that man descended from apes. Conservative war on drugs… conservative views on what a family unit even is (no parents are better than two daddies little orphan!)… inappropriate amount of jail time, caused by the war on drugs, causes people who committed a victimless crime to be trapped in a cycle that just gets worse… rap music can be misogynistic but old skool conservative values would want Nicki Minaj in the back of the bus and then at home raising her kids… and this is all ignoring your abstract claims, like drug use is much worse. A lot more things have been invented AND made illegal versus 100 years ago. I was actually understanding your side of things and then you delved into “I walked ten miles in the snow to buy bread that was a nickel!” territory and you just lost it. ---
**Author:** ![Steampunk\_Willie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Steampunk\_Willie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steampunk_Willie)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/135 "2011-02-02T11:24:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yeah, and there are some things that are so blindingly and obviously stupid that a four-year-old would know better, and even a four-year-old would know that if you pass kids from grade to grade without learning anything, you are doing more long-term harm to their self-esteem than would ever occur because of whatever self-esteem they lose by blowing off their school work and getting an “F.” > > Unless of course you can explain how flipping burgers all your life supposed to result in wonderful self-esteem? > > How in hell such an idea ever got floated in the first place is mind-boggling enough, but it’s having found acceptance within the liberal community is a hell of a lot more stupid than anything some Republican politician believes about God. Here is my crazy liberal take on how to run schools: Take away Churches unnecessary tax exempt status, slash the defense budget, and put that money towards the public school system. Now that teachers get paid a better salary, you will get better more enthusiastic teachers who will be encouraged to seek further education; now that classes are much smaller kids can get personal attention so they don’t get left behind; now poor schools can update their technology and tech education to compete with the rest of the world. If your plan is to just keep failing these kids back into a system that isn’t fit to help them, enjoy your high school drop outs that are committing crimes and making there way in and out of our ‘revolving door prisons’. :rolleyes: What’s your solution? Jesus, a mommy and daddy, and tax cuts for everyone? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/136 "2011-02-02T11:41:20Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nah, most lean conservative, and it is more likely that teachers waffle on the issue so as to make the less waves so as to get less angry parents on the next PTA meet. > > > [@](#): > > > > - POLITICAL LEANINGS. These questions produced some curious results. NEA found that 45 percent of teachers are Democrats, 28 percent are Republicans, and 27 percent have no party affiliation. NEA’s own political surveys, taken after each election cycle, show similar results. But when asked about political philosophy, 56 percent of teachers described themselves as conservative or “tend to be conservative” while only 44 percent said they were liberal or “tend to be liberal.” However, liberal teachers clearly follow the principle of Taqiyya, which means they are allowed to claim to be conservative in situations where being an overt liberal might get you fired. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/137 "2011-02-02T12:31:59Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > How do thinking Republican voters get past shit like this? Doesn’t it bother you at all? Yes, we have no bananas. These men believe nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/138 "2011-02-02T14:18:06Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Wouldn’t that be considered a form of evolution, then? > 🙂 Raises the interesting question of whether you can participate in evolution without actually believing in it. Kind of like the tree falling in the forest. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/139 "2011-02-02T15:36:42Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Raises the interesting question of whether you can participate in evolution without actually believing in it. Almost all living things to date have. ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/140 "2011-02-02T15:37:08Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > However, liberal teachers clearly follow the principle of Taqiyya, which means they are allowed to claim to be conservative in situations where being an overt liberal might get you fired. So there’s that much of a witch-hunt for liberals these days? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394.md?page=8)