# Rep. Katherine Harris Condemns Separation of Church, State **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 26, 2006, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317 "2006-08-26T13:26:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2006, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/61 "2006-08-27T19:45:45Z")
[Belinda Noah](http://www.noah2006.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=33) I did not know that politicians had started using [rendering engines](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_%28video_game_series%29) for their promo-photos. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2006, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/62 "2006-08-27T19:54:06Z")
[QUOTE=ivylass] Watch out how you swing that wide brush. [/QUOTE] Just think of it as making up for the decades the GOP spent on demonizing the words “liberal” and “Democrat”. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2006, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/63 "2006-08-27T20:05:55Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] [Belinda Noah](http://www.noah2006.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=33) [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > By replacing the income tax code with the FairTax, Men of God will once again be able to speak out in behalf of those candidates who support the right to life. 😕 This lady ain’t firin’ on all four cylinders. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2006, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/64 "2006-08-27T20:19:16Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] 😕 This lady ain’t firin’ on all four cylinders. [/QUOTE] I was referring to Noah, of course. But if **ivylass** would seriously consider voting for her, she is likewise a few cans short of a sixpack. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2006, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/65 "2006-08-27T20:26:17Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] I was referring to Noah, of course. But if **ivylass** would seriously consider voting for her, she is likewise a few cans short of a sixpack. [/QUOTE] Whatever, dude. As stated above, I’m voting for McBride in the primary. If Harris wins, then I have to go with Choice 2. I’m not a big fan of Noah, either (anyone who used to have their zodiac sign in their campaign website is a bit scary, IMO) and while I am also a proponent of the FairTax, I also don’t get what she means by the quote you posted. I think McBride has a fair shot at winning the primary, since I think most conservative/Republican voters are in an “Anyone But Harris” mode. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2006, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/66 "2006-08-27T20:36:26Z")
[QUOTE=ivylass] I think McBride has a fair shot at winning the primary, since I think most conservative/Republican voters are in an “Anyone But Harris” mode. [/QUOTE] Are you sure? She still leads the Pub field in every poll I’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2006, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/67 "2006-08-27T20:40:32Z")
Could be. I’m just going off the folks I’ve talked to. Harris might be afraid of McBride, if her [little stunt](http://www.mcbrideforsenate.com/Home/McBrideforSenateNews/McBrideforSenateNewsDetail/tabid/61/ArticleID/12/CBModuleId/412/Default.aspx) is any indication. Is Nelson running unopposed? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2006, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/68 "2006-08-27T20:44:38Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Are you sure? She still leads the Pub field in every poll I’ve seen. [/QUOTE] Correct, but who is [Sue Cobb](http://oss.dos.state.fl.us/index.html) supporting in the election? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2006, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/69 "2006-08-27T20:49:13Z")
[QUOTE=ivylass] Is Nelson running unopposed? [/QUOTE] Apparently. [This page](http://www.politics1.com/fl.htm) lists all the candidates, Dem, Pub and indie, and Nelson is the only Dem listed under “U.S. Senator”. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2006, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/70 "2006-08-27T20:55:00Z")
According to this article, her comments aren’t hurting her among her core constituency. > [@](#): > > Harris found a receptive crowd Saturday as she made her way from vendor to vendor, a small group of reporters trailing behind. Though her campaign has struggled to gain momentum, she remains popular among a core group of Republican voters, including gun owners. > > Jo Jordan, an alligator trapper from Titusville, was typical. > > “I like that she’s here and that she’s pro-gun,” said Jordan, who had his picture taken with Harris and got an autographed T-shirt. “I’m supporting her.” [http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-harris2706aug27,0,6016837.story?coll=orl-news-headlines-state](http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-harris2706aug27,0,6016837.story?coll=orl-news-headlines-state) ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2006, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/71 "2006-08-27T21:15:56Z")
[QUOTE=RaftPeople] I’m sorry to hear that, I will pray for you. [/QUOTE] I’ll take care of thinking for him. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/72 "2006-08-28T00:09:26Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Even this one? “God is the one who chooses our rulers.” Guess there’s no need to vote, or even be informed about the issues, then, huh? God will provide. Oh, wait, she said “rulers” - apparently this notion I’ve always had, that our elected officials are our _employees_, has been a serious error on my part. The President is our _ruler_. We can simply dispense with that Constitution stuff whenever it conflicts with our simply carrying out God’s will by obeying His chosen ruler for us, then. Of course, there is \*never \* any serious misunderstanding about what God’s will _is_ or who He has chosen to \*be \* our ruler, fortunately for all of us. Whatever bad shit The Ruler makes happen isn’t our employee fucking up and/or being insubordinate, it’s actually _God’s will_. Gee, do ya think Harris had that view during the Clinton adminstration? Did _you_? [/QUOTE] This “philosophy” sure helps explain why she took the steps she did in 2000 to make sure that GWB stole the Florida electoral votes from the godless Al Gore. After all, she was just doing God’s will. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/73 "2006-08-28T00:34:42Z")
**]FriarTed**, you realize the contradiction in believing that god picks our leaders, and voting. Why vote if god is going to pick whomever he wants anyway? Think maybe god needs a little help? What happened in 2000? God wasn’t quite up to fixing the election, so he had to have the fundie supremes help out? Hmm, perhaps a new democratic strategy: Convince fundie morons that god will put Pat Robertson in the White House, so there is no reason to even show up to the polls. Of course, the fundies will have their stock answers ready, “god helps those who helps themselves,” or some such bullshit. If they really believed god picked the leaders they wouldn’t vote. ---
**Author:** ![want2know](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@want2know](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/want2know)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/74 "2006-08-28T01:07:17Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] If it’s God’s will how an it be that it is thwarted so easily? Kind of a lame-ass God, dontcha think? Say hello to your [brothers in arms.](http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/08/24/somalia.flogging.ap/index.html) [/QUOTE] Terrific comparison, **Contra**! Now, everybody gather 'round for an elementary civics lesson: Separation of church and state is NECESSARY in a free and democratic society! If laws are passed based on the fundamental tenets of ANY religion, those who do not subscribe to that faith are disenfranchised and, by association, become second-class citizens. The Taliban are only one example. In Israel, there have been incidents of women being stoned by Hasidic Jewish men for daring to pray at the Wailing Wall. But the biggest bunch of bullshit comes from the Fundie fuckheads. They spout their line of fundamentalist Christianity while simultaneously blaming fundamentalist Islam for all the world’s ills. I’ve got news for you all–the two sides are more alike than either would be willing to acknowledge. Both sides want to make their beliefs the law of the land at the expense of those who would disagree with them. What do Katharine Harris and Osama bin Laden have in common? They both profess to know what God wants–and they’re equally dangerous! ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/75 "2006-08-28T01:37:45Z")
[QUOTE=want2know] Separation of church and state is NECESSARY in a free and democratic society! If laws are passed based on the fundamental tenets of ANY religion, those who do not subscribe to that faith are disenfranchised and, by association, become second-class citizens. The Taliban are only one example. In Israel, there have been incidents of women being stoned by Hasidic Jewish men for daring to pray at the Wailing Wall. [/QUOTE] Bah. This is America. We all know that only Christians are important you fucking terrorist! -Joe ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/76 "2006-08-28T02:35:12Z")
[QUOTE=want2know] If laws are passed based on the fundamental tenets of ANY religion, those who do not subscribe to that faith are disenfranchised and, by association, become second-class citizens. [/QUOTE] Quite true. Of course, there is [one and only one](http://www.subgenius.com) religion WRT which that outcome would be a **good** thing! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/77 "2006-08-28T02:42:50Z")
Does God pick the rulers of any \*other \* country? If He picks them all, they should know better than to go kill each other’s people so often, shouldn’t they? Or maybe only the US is truly anointed among nations, perhaps Israel too given their key role in preparing the Holy Land for the Apocalypse, and all those other Frenchy places are simply damned. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/78 "2006-08-28T02:53:37Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Quite true. Of course, there is [one and only one](http://www.subgenius.com) religion WRT which that outcome would be a **good** thing! 😉 [/QUOTE] [Two](http://www.locksley.com/cthulhu/index2.htm), depending on your point of view. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/79 "2006-08-28T04:48:40Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Does God pick the rulers of any \*other \* country? If He picks them all, they should know better than to go kill each other’s people so often, shouldn’t they? [/QUOTE] You are missing the point. God is a Roman. Humans exist to fight for His amusement. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317/80 "2006-08-28T06:04:21Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] You are missing the point. God is a Roman. Humans exist to fight for His amusement. [/QUOTE] Dayum – that’s the first explanation of God I’ve ever encountered that actually makes sense. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-katherine-harris-condemns-separation-of-church-state/370317.md?page=5)