# Replace my kitchen cabinetry with dishwashers : why doesn't everyone already do this? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 29, 2015, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201 "2015-01-29T05:24:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/21 "2015-01-29T16:29:20Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > We’ve been shopping for dishwashers for my mother’s house. One thing I noticed is that the stores always have the decibel rating of the machine listed. Is that a new requirement? I don’t know if it’s a requirement but it’s definitely a selling point. People don’t want loud dishwashers. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/22 "2015-01-29T16:52:08Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Bosch is getting more common, I was thinking of looking them one my current one dies…do they need hot and cold? Most Bosch dishwashers do not. I built the house, and my supplier had something in stock from a custom order that got cancelled. It may have even been for the EU. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/23 "2015-01-29T17:29:25Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > my supplier had something in stock from a custom order that got cancelled. Was he selling it out of a white van? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/24 "2015-01-29T18:08:58Z")
I would like maybe 2 DW’s not six, - one for filling while I could use the other for storage of stuff till I am ready to use them, or put the stuff away when it was ready to run the other one. This would reduce the amount of putting away things significantly without all modification to how I store stuff that 6 would entail. Just seems like 6 it would be too little per DW to actually run the thing, or I would be running it with almost nothing in it. Have you considered a single commercial DW instead, the ones with interchangeable racks with a cycle wash time of IIRC 30 seconds to 2 minutes? This way you could have a rack per meal of dishes/pots etc. when clean place the entire DW rack in the appropriate counter. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/25 "2015-01-29T18:11:42Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Was he selling it out of a white van? No. Why do you ask? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/26 "2015-01-29T18:16:34Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > No. Why do you ask? [White Van scam](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_van_speaker_scam). ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/27 "2015-01-29T18:23:22Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [White Van scam](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_van_speaker_scam). I’m aware of it, but this is my long time appliance supplier. Such things often happen to legitimate businesses, especially back in '07 and '08. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/28 "2015-01-29T18:24:46Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I would like maybe 2 DW’s not six, - one for filling while I could use the other for storage of stuff till I am ready to use them, or put the stuff away when it was ready to run the other one. This would reduce the amount of putting away things significantly without all modification to how I store stuff that 6 would entail. You might like the [dishdrawer](https://www.fisherpaykel.com/us/kitchen/dishwashing/dishdrawer/) made by a New Zealand company called Fisher & Paykel. In the space of a conventional dishwasher, you can install two drawers that are independent dishwashers. Or you can just install one half-height drawer if you don’t need to wash many dishes. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/29 "2015-01-29T18:27:30Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > I’m aware of it, but this is my long time appliance supplier. Such things often happen to legitimate businesses, especially back in '07 and '08. It was a joke. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/30 "2015-01-29T18:31:05Z")
> [@johnpost](#): > > far better is to install a shower/tub surround in the kitchen. > > you then have space for a huge linen closet in the bathroom. > > set dish racks on the walls of the surround. your dishes get washed while you shower. use the hand held shower head to get the glasses and cups thoroughly rinsed. Ahh… The Kramer solution. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/31 "2015-01-29T18:34:33Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [White Van scam](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_van_speaker_scam). Thought there was a 50/50 shot that you were wondering if it was a bad purchase. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/32 "2015-01-29T18:36:59Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > Thought there was a 50/50 shot that you were wondering if it was a bad purchase. Well, you can’t believe half of what I say; and I’m joking about the other half. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/33 "2015-01-29T18:37:57Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > You might like the [dishdrawer](https://www.fisherpaykel.com/us/kitchen/dishwashing/dishdrawer/) made by a New Zealand company called Fisher & Paykel. In the space of a conventional dishwasher, you can install two drawers that are independent dishwashers. Or you can just install one half-height drawer if you don’t need to wash many dishes. My mother has these. I love them. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/34 "2015-01-29T18:40:05Z")
My brother is a master plumber, and he often worked in homes with two dishwashers - for a kosher kitchen, with separate milk and meat dishwashers. He had a rabbi he would call upon for consultation to ensure that the plumbing work he did was kosher. It’s the little things like that that will ensure repeat customers. You will need a dedicated 20 amp breaker for each unit, and some serious drainage, with at least a 4" pipe to handle the run-off should someone decide to start all the dishwashers at once. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/35 "2015-01-29T18:43:00Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [White Van scam](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_van_speaker_scam). Many many years ago I bumped into the White Van guys twice in a few months. First time in a Best Buy Parking Lot and I just brushed them off, the second time they were in my work parking lot. By then word had gotten out and I told them to get lost or I’d call the cops and they drove away. The White Van Scam I’d heard of was that they were totally ripping people off, like selling empty boxes with rocks in them. On the wiki page it says "Due to the age of the scam and its dubious legality, white van scams often have relatively sophisticated logistics. Distributors rent a warehouse and obtain licenses and distribution rights, then import large quantities of poorly made goods. They ship these goods to local warehouses in major cities and hire ‘salesmen’ to distribute the shoddy goods. North American distribution operations are in major cities across the continent. The marketers at each office establish a promotion, benefit, and bonus scale for the speaker sales teams. Bonuses may be paid in cash, checks, fake credit cards or, with some irony, speakers." It actually sounds like they’re very, very slowly going legit just trying to keep afloat. I mean, now it’s an actual business with business licenses and warehouses. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/36 "2015-01-29T19:14:50Z")
This - the general 1950s-ish futurama “dish washing cupboards” - makes me think of Lost in Space, with things like the washing machine that took a load of clothes, flashed lights for a moment, then gave back shrink-wrapped clean items. Seems like that scene has to be on Utoob… ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/37 "2015-01-29T19:18:26Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > You might like the [dishdrawer](https://www.fisherpaykel.com/us/kitchen/dishwashing/dishdrawer/) made by a New Zealand company called Fisher & Paykel. In the space of a conventional dishwasher, you can install two drawers that are independent dishwashers. Or you can just install one half-height drawer if you don’t need to wash many dishes. They don’t hold more than a light meal for one or two’s dishes. And they’re expensive. (They might also be in the Euro zone of requiring 220V, a gotcha with many Euro and Commonwealth appliances sold to the yupscale before direct sales for the 120V market became common.) If you’re a wealthy single or couple who doesn’t eat much or cook seriously, I guess they’re a good choice. But a single small dishwasher (narrow frame) occupies less space, holds more, often has an economy cycle for a half-load and costs a fraction of the price. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/38 "2015-01-29T19:21:52Z")
Oh, I give up. Why doesn’t everyone already do this? The price of Cascade tablets? ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/39 "2015-01-29T19:22:05Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > They don’t hold more than a light meal for one or two’s dishes. And they’re expensive. (They might also be in the Euro zone of requiring 220V, a gotcha with many Euro and Commonwealth appliances sold to the yupscale before direct sales for the 120V market became common.) The link was for their US sales site. But I could see a problem if one were wanting to bring in a 220 volt appliance, and you’d also have potential issues with metric threaded plumbing connections. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201/40 "2015-01-29T20:45:35Z")
The Fischer and Paykel double drawer dishwasher is the same size and capacity as a standard dishwasher, but they’re expensive. The added price is really only worth it for someone who routinely runs only one drawer. They do save a lot of water and are very quiet, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/replace-my-kitchen-cabinetry-with-dishwashers-why-doesnt-everyone-already-do-this/711201.md?page=3)