# Reply to Babale re: Hamas and Israel **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 12, 2023, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reply-to-babale-re-hamas-and-israel/991469 "2023-10-12T17:51:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 16
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reply-to-babale-re-hamas-and-israel/991469/16 "2023-10-12T18:57:54Z")
Okay, first a thank you to @Walken_After_Midnight, @Babale and especially @What_Exit for taking things out of the parent thread. Much appreciated. Okay, @Walken_After_Midnight - I think that @Thing.Fish is largely correct, in that both you and @Babale are probably closer to common ground than you think, but if I had to come down on one side, I do think you’re in the wrong. Not (!) that I think you’re a troll, but you’re making some really poor arguments. So, I’m going to focus on that, not any name calling, Pit or No. > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > The false equivalence between the actions of Israel, which admittedly have not always been in the best interest of a long-term peaceful solution to this problem, and the actions of Hamas, which have always reveled in their atrocities, is absolutely disgusting. > > > > … > > > > On the other hand, when you slaughter people in cold blood, that’s something else entirely. Equivocation between the two is sickening. > > > > … > > > > How about instead of dropping snarky half-hearted bOtH sIdEs in every thread about this issue you go ahead and let me know what it is that Israel has done that even remotely approaches what Hamas does on a daily basis? > > I never once supported what Hamas did. You ascribed that to me, because you’re a piece of shit. I just pointed out that a lot of Palestinian civilians have been killed by Israel - over 21 times as many than have Israeli civilians been killed by Palestinians since 2008. > > I described what Hamas did as “heinous acts of evil”, while you described the many thousands of Palestinian civilians killed as “collateral damage”. I’m quoting the above so we focus on the one issue that seems to be increasing your blood pressure, and on the face of it, this (YOUR OWN QUOTE AND COMMENT) supports @Babale’s accusations. This -IS- blatant both siderisms, and not even an honest one. Let’s look at if from the perspective of desires and needs of the parties causing the civilian deaths. Israel makes an effort (note, I do not say EVERY effort, or even sufficient effort, but an effort) to avoid them, because they realize it plays into the desires of Hamas and their supporters (as distinct from Palestinians in general). Hamas, on the other hand, deliberately targets civilians, because they’re soft(er) targets, and to create the maximal outrage to then encourage a counter strike, which they immediately follow up with posting all the civilian death tolls that were the response. The leaders, who are NOT at risk, then use this to further increase their power and funding. As a part of this, they actively and deliberately embed their people, equipment, and facilities within the civilian population - this an active and effective tool to feed the Hamas power cycle. So yes, numerically the Palestinian deaths have been more numerous, because that’s the way HAMAS wants things, not how Israel wants things. Lastly, to be clear, there are plenty of Israeli citizens and politicians who probably feel that at this point, Hamas and the Palestinians as a whole aren’t worthy of being treated with respect, that even the tacit support is sufficient for a horrific final solution (words chosen for emphasis), but @Babale certainly isn’t one of them. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reply-to-babale-re-hamas-and-israel/991469)._