# Reported shots fired at Chiefs Super Bowl rally \[Feb 14, 2024\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 14, 2024, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568 "2024-02-14T20:14:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/61 "2024-02-16T00:44:42Z")
I hadn’t seen that one, but yep. [“Don’t do it, not here; this is stupid.” He said the person pulled out a gun and “started shooting and spinning in a circle,”](https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/kansas-city-chiefs-super-bowl-shooting-02-15-24/index.html) There’s always that one crazy one at a shootout. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/62 "2024-02-16T02:29:03Z")
I haven’t seen anything about charges. Multiple outlets were reporting they had to charge within 24 hours or let them go. Are the rules different for juveniles? ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/63 "2024-02-16T02:51:21Z")
Charges will be filed in the morning for two juveniles. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/64 "2024-02-16T03:05:26Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > Charges will be filed in the morning for two juveniles. That’s longer than 24 hours. I’m confused. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/65 "2024-02-16T03:33:01Z")
Maybe there’s a court order. > How Long Can You Be Kept at a Detention Center? > You can be detained up to 24 hours without a court order. You can be detained longer by court order. Your parents must be notified as soon as practicable. [https://www.16thcircuit.org/juvenile-delinquency](https://www.16thcircuit.org/juvenile-delinquency) ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/66 "2024-02-16T19:20:42Z")
The two juveniles have only been charged with resisting arrest and gun charges. Unfortunately this doesn’t answer all of the questions like how much proof they have that these are the shooters or if they are sure there were only two. Either they have all the evidence they need and are waiting to see if they can be charged as adults or they are still going through all the evidence. Or both. I more than understand not putting out too much so the investigation isn’t compromised. Still frustrating. > **[2 juveniles charged in Kansas City Chiefs victory parade shooting](https://www.kcur.org/news/2024-02-16/charges-prosecution-kansas-city-chiefs-union-station-mass-shooting-parade-rally-lisa-lopez-galvan-death)** > > Jackson County charged two people under 18 with unspecified gun offenses and resisting arrest in connection with the shooting at the end of Wednesday's Chiefs parade and rally at Union Station, which killed one and injured 22 others. The court says... ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/67 "2024-02-16T20:23:42Z")
Charged as juveniles. What does someone have to do in Missouri to get charges upgraded 🤔 as adult offenses? That’s standard in many states for older teens involved in violent crimes. Usually juveniles get released from custody when they turn 21. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/68 "2024-02-16T20:31:21Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Usually juveniles get released from custody when they turn 21. Do you have a cite for this? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/69 "2024-02-16T20:40:58Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Charged as juveniles. > > What does someone have to do in Missouri to get charges upgraded 🤔 as adult offenses? > > That’s standard in many states for older teens involved in violent crimes. > > Usually juveniles get released from custody when they turn 21. They haven’t been charged with violent crimes yet. They are charged with possession of a firearm by a juvenile and resisting arrest. If those are the only charges they will never be charged as an adult. Are they 17 or 13? That enters into it as well. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/70 "2024-02-16T20:41:22Z")
It happened after a 1998 school shooting in Arkansas. Andrew Golden died in a head on car accident years after being released. It was big news locally. IANAL but it’s my understanding this was common in most states. That’s why juveniles can be charged as adults and face stricter punishment. Link [The Only Two Living US Mass School Shooters Who Are Not Incarcerated - ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/US/living-us-mass-school-shooters-incarcerated/story?id=36986507) > [@](#): > > Not only that, but because Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden were minors at the time of the 1998 shooting – 13 and 11, respectively – when they killed five people in what was then the second-deadliest U.S. school shooting, Arkansas state law mandated that they be released on their 21st birthdays, with their records sealed. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/71 "2024-02-16T20:48:18Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It happened after a 1998 school shooting in Arkansas. Andrew Golden died in a head on car accident a few years after being released. It was big news locally. > > IANAL but it’s my understanding this was common in most states. That’s why juveniles can be charged as adults and face stricter punishment. > > Link [The Only Two Living US Mass School Shooters Who Are Not Incarcerated - ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/US/living-us-mass-school-shooters-incarcerated/story?id=36986507) > > > [@](#): > > > > Not only that, but because Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden were minors at the time of the 1998 shooting – 13 and 11, respectively – when they killed five people in what was then the second-deadliest U.S. school shooting, Arkansas state law mandated that they be released on their 21st birthdays, with their records sealed. It will be different state to state. Many will have lower limits on age as to when you can charge as an adult. Charging an 11 year old as an adult is going pretty far. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/72 "2024-02-16T20:56:49Z")
I get the impression the Kansas city shooters were older teens. We’ll probably never know since juvenile court records aren’t reported. This entire case will be neatly covered up. Records eventually sealed. Maybe the press can cover the trial without revealing the identity of the persons charged? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/73 "2024-02-16T22:37:32Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > What does someone have to do in Missouri to get charges upgraded 🤔 as adult offenses? Take the lord’s name in vain? ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/74 "2024-02-16T23:11:07Z")
Or Tread on someone. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2024, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/75 "2024-02-17T13:35:37Z")
Moderating: > [@aceplace57](#): > > This entire case will be neatly covered up. Records eventually sealed. > > Maybe the press can cover the trial without revealing the identity of the persons charged? And the next two posts Remember, this is still a breaking news thread. Political speculation and jabs are not appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2024, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/76 "2024-02-17T13:39:35Z")
Understood. I didn’t realize I made a political statement. Sealing juvenile records has been done for most of my life. I wasn’t questioning the practice. My concern was charging these shooters as juveniles instead of as adults. But I understand we can’t question that here either. I’ll open a new thread next time. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2024, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/77 "2024-02-17T13:55:46Z")
Just because they are charged as juveniles with minor crimes today doesn’t mean that will be the extent of the charges. I suspect what they are charged with now is just enough to keep them incarcerated while a case is built for more substantial charges. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2024, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/78 "2024-02-17T23:28:06Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > This article states that the adult that was detained was released and it was determined he was not involved Talk about bad luck. He is a convicted felon and supposedly picked up the gun to bring it to police. Now he’s in jail on a $25,000 bond. > **[Charges filed against third person at Chiefs rally not involved in fatal...](https://www.kctv5.com/2024/02/16/charges-filed-against-third-person-chiefs-rally-not-involved-fatal-shooting/)** > > Charges have been filed against a third person at the Chiefs rally following a deadly shooting, however, he was not part of the original incident. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/79 "2024-02-17T23:33:06Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > supposedly picked up the gun to bring it to police. Because putting your fingerprints on a gun is always a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2024, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568/80 "2024-02-17T23:39:48Z")
I can see wanting to grab a handy weapon for self-defense if the threat’s still active. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally-feb-14-2024/997568.md?page=5)