# Repost of Iran Topic posted 5-22-11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 22, 2011, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813 "2011-05-22T21:09:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/41 "2011-06-05T20:28:24Z")
> [@chiefwhitesr](#): > > Are you a member of the associated press in LA? What has that to do with anything? ---
**Author:** ![chiefwhitesr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@chiefwhitesr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiefwhitesr)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/42 "2011-06-05T20:37:45Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > What’s your point? I’m not pickin up what your layin down, sorry. Please use more detail ---
**Author:** ![chiefwhitesr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@chiefwhitesr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiefwhitesr)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/43 "2011-06-05T20:39:39Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What has that to do with anything? He isn’t sarcastic and seems genuinely interested in helping me explain my point. I was just curious. Just wandring. ---
**Author:** ![chiefwhitesr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@chiefwhitesr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiefwhitesr)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/44 "2011-06-05T20:42:39Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What has that to do with anything? It would only make sense that this site and others like this one were monitored by the associated press for chatter. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/45 "2011-06-05T20:45:11Z")
> [@chiefwhitesr](#): > > I was just curious. Just wandring. True, dat. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/46 "2011-06-05T20:46:56Z")
> [@chiefwhitesr](#): > > Are you a member of the associated press in LA? That would be telling! Regarding your PM: I try to be reasonable when people are willing to listen to reason. When people hold opposing views it is more productive to engage in civil discourse than to start a fight. I may not convince an opponent, and an opponent may not convince me; but reasonable people can usually come to an accommodation. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/47 "2011-06-05T20:47:54Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > One person’s terrorist is another person’s freedom fighter? Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist? Was the French Resistance a terrorist organization? The ANC was labelled a terrorist organisation by prominent conservatives in the west during the 70s and 80s, notably by Margaret Thatcher and [Ronald Reagan](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/2233256/Nelson-Mandela-removed-from-US-terror-list.html). The reason Mandela spent 29 years in jail was because he refused to renounce armed struggle. Similarly, the Résistance used the tactics of terrorism to resist the Nazi occupation and the Vichy government. They sometimes targeted civilians as part of their sabotage work. Just because both regimes they opposed were utterly despicable does not mean those who opposed them weren’t terrorists. Terrorism is a methodology and a tactic; ‘freedom fighter’ is a subjective moral judgement. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/48 "2011-06-05T20:53:20Z")
> [@chiefwhitesr](#): > > He isn’t sarcastic and seems genuinely interested in helping me explain my point. I was just curious. Just wandring. When you made the claim that you are a “Officer of Independent Intelligence, a Security Officer, an Officer of Candor”, did you expect people to accept that without question? It sounds like you were trying to invent authority, then got upset when your invented authority wasn’t accepted. The term “Officer of Independent Intelligence” didn’t even exist until you posted it on this website. We respect honest debate and valid cites here, and you might have poisoned the well just a bit. Just my humble opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/49 "2011-06-05T20:57:37Z")
> [@chiefwhitesr](#): > > I’m not pickin up what your layin down, sorry. Please use more detail :dubious: I wasn’t even asking you anything, I was asking **Qin Shi Huangdi** what his point was. ---
**Author:** ![chiefwhitesr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@chiefwhitesr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiefwhitesr)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/50 "2011-06-05T20:58:31Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > That would be telling! > > Regarding your PM: I try to be reasonable when people are willing to listen to reason. When people hold opposing views it is more productive to engage in civil discourse than to start a fight. I may not convince an opponent, and an opponent may not convince me; but reasonable people can usually come to an accommodation. Right on ---
**Author:** ![chiefwhitesr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@chiefwhitesr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiefwhitesr)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/51 "2011-06-05T20:59:50Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > :dubious: I wasn’t even asking you anything, I was asking **Qin Shi Huangdi** what his point was. My bad ---
**Author:** ![chiefwhitesr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@chiefwhitesr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiefwhitesr)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/52 "2011-06-05T21:07:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > When you made the claim that you are a “Officer of Independent Intelligence, a Security Officer, an Officer of Candor”, did you expect people to accept that without question? It sounds like you were trying to invent authority, then got upset when your invented authority wasn’t accepted. The term “Officer of Independent Intelligence” didn’t even exist until you posted it on this website. We respect honest debate and valid cites here, and you might have poisoned the well just a bit. > Just my humble opinion. I have seen shit that would turn you white and lived to tell about it. I know all of the ins and outs of Vice and State Task Force Operations and have been on live ops. Saying anything more would be a violation of my contract. ---
**Author:** ![chiefwhitesr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@chiefwhitesr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiefwhitesr)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/53 "2011-06-05T21:11:51Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > When you made the claim that you are a “Officer of Independent Intelligence, a Security Officer, an Officer of Candor”, did you expect people to accept that without question? It sounds like you were trying to invent authority, then got upset when your invented authority wasn’t accepted. The term “Officer of Independent Intelligence” didn’t even exist until you posted it on this website. We respect honest debate and valid cites here, and you might have poisoned the well just a bit. > Just my humble opinion. Am still getting the hang of this suite and the way you manage it. No hard feelings friend ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/54 "2011-06-05T21:19:08Z")
> [@chiefwhitesr](#): > > I have seen shit that would turn you white and lived to tell about it. I know all of the ins and outs of Vice and State Task Force Operations and have been on live ops. Saying anything more would be a violation of my contract. Do you not yet understand yet that vague unsubstantiated claims do _not_ bolster your believability factor here? Why are you piling on even more of them? ---
**Author:** ![chiefwhitesr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@chiefwhitesr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiefwhitesr)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/55 "2011-06-05T21:26:37Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you not yet understand yet that vague unsubstantiated claims do _not_ bolster your believability factor here? Why are you piling on even more of them? Sorry to disrupt your little circle of laughs. Signing off. Thanks but no thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/56 "2011-06-05T21:34:36Z")
> [@chiefwhitesr](#): > > Sorry to disrupt your little circle of laughs. Signing off. Thanks but no thanks. Is “Candor” a government operation or the name of another country? Edited to add: And what exactly was your rank in “Candor”? ---
**Author:** ![chiefwhitesr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@chiefwhitesr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiefwhitesr)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/57 "2011-06-05T21:47:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is “Candor” a government operation or the name of another country? > Edited to add: And what exactly was your rank in “Candor”? If I had a rank in Candor I would be a Captain and have my own team. ---
**Author:** ![chiefwhitesr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@chiefwhitesr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiefwhitesr)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/58 "2011-06-05T21:53:57Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is “Candor” a government operation or the name of another country? > Edited to add: And what exactly was your rank in “Candor”? can·dor (kndr) n. 1. Frankness or sincerity of expression; openness. 2. Freedom from prejudice; impartiality. ---
**Author:** ![chiefwhitesr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@chiefwhitesr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiefwhitesr)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/59 "2011-06-05T22:02:44Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is “Candor” a government operation or the name of another country? > Edited to add: And what exactly was your rank in “Candor”? My rank is not what matters what matters is that I am who I say I am and rank is insignificant. I joined special warfare at the age of 17 and I just turned 34, which means I have been an active seeker for 15 years. Do you know what a seeker does? I probably should let you ask instead of offer it up. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813/60 "2011-06-05T22:13:48Z")
**chiefwhitesr** , I think **Czarcasm** ’s point is that we have no way to know if you are what you say you are (that’s true of pretty much anyone on a message board). So rather than listing your credentials, why don’t you explain what you’ve learned from your experience and how it’s relevant to this discussion? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repost-of-iran-topic-posted-5-22-11/582813.md?page=4)