# Representative George Santos: Indictment and Prosecution (Expelled from Congress on Dec 1, 2023) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 10, 2023, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850 "2023-05-10T14:28:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![abcdefghij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/43a26b/32.png) [@abcdefghij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abcdefghij)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/381 "2023-11-27T01:57:21Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > If George Santos says that members of Congress are having drug-fueled orgies, that makes me think they were probably at choir practice. But what if he says he’s lying about it? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/382 "2023-11-27T01:59:14Z")
Then it’s obvious: the rest of congress was at drug-fueled naked coed choir practice. ---
**Author:** ![Disinfectus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/disinfectus/32/11085_2.png) [@Disinfectus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disinfectus)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/383 "2023-11-27T02:04:48Z")
Regardless of Santos, I think that’s a given. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/384 "2023-11-27T02:06:35Z")
> [@abcdefghij](#): > > But what if he says he’s lying about it? Norman, coordinate. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/385 "2023-11-27T05:19:22Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I hope someone asks him why he waited until he was on his way out to mention it. Really, at least I’ll grant Cawthorne he made his unsupported accusation while he was still presumed reelectable and that led to the NC GOP finally deciding he needed taking down. One of the characteristic traits of this type of individual is that they will claim to believe _everyone else_ **must also** be in it only for the grift and the scam. That anyone “playing it straight” has **got** to be putting on an act, too. Having had the opportunity over the years to share time (both work and social) with government/political types of various kinds, they are not special. You’ll have some who are known party-hearty types, some who are known to be honest to goodness straight-edge, and some who may be up to something On The Down Low; some who are real all-the-way True Believers and some who are posers and panderers for wherever the money is; some teambuilders and some bullies; some who are OK at the job but are despicable humans. Cawthorne and Santos blabbering about others’ alleged vice is just their attempt to distract from their own uselessness or criminality, it’s saying _“I may be a liar/shirker/swindler but the OTHERS do the REALLY BAD things”_ while conveniently not naming names. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/386 "2023-11-27T10:57:46Z")
[“George Santos is the Mary Magdalene of the U.S. Congress.”](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/george-santos-responds-expulsion-resolution-house-ethics-committee-report/) Interesting choice. Usually GOPers pick Jesus, so I’ll give him points for originality. He’s going out kicking and screaming. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/387 "2023-11-27T16:33:00Z")
I guess this shows Santos hasn’t actually read the Bible. Mary Magdalene was a woman who traveled with Jesus and the apostles; she was not an outcast. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/388 "2023-11-27T17:08:50Z")
There are some who link her to the woman caught in adultery whom Christ saved from a stoning. > **[Who is the woman caught in adultery? - The Catholic Thing](https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2019/04/07/who-is-the-woman-caught-in-adultery/)** > > Rev. Jerry J. Pokorsky: Mary Magdalene accompanied Jesus for most of His public life, from the depths of her sin and despair, to the heights of sanctity. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/389 "2023-11-27T17:10:36Z")
The gospels strongly indicate that she was a contrite, reformed, and forgiven sinner. That has absolutely nothing to do with George Santos. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/390 "2023-11-27T17:13:02Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > That has absolutely nothing to do with George Santos. Are you suggesting that Santos is prevaricating??? Well, I never! ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/391 "2023-11-27T17:39:43Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > The gospels strongly indicate that she was a contrite, reformed, and forgiven sinner. And per the Gospels JC exorcised demons that had tormented her, which I don’t see having happened to George (he doesn’t seem to feel in any way tormented by _his_ issues). ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/392 "2023-11-27T17:46:46Z")
Santos is probably jealous of what a good time all the demons, er, his esteemed colleagues have been having. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/393 "2023-11-27T17:51:29Z")
And a cabinet member who was in a Republican administration. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/394 "2023-11-27T17:52:47Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > There are some who link her to the woman caught in adultery whom Christ saved from a stoning. That only works for those who assume that there was only woman in the country and therefore every time a woman gets mentioned in the Gospels it must be the same woman. The unnamed woman who was caught in adultery was in John, where there was no mention of demons. There are also people who feel that Mary Magdalene is the same woman as Mary of Bethany, the sinful woman who anointed Jesus’s feet. But the problem with that is that Mary of Bethany was from Bethany and Mary Magdalene was from Magdala. These are two separate towns that are about a hundred miles apart. Mary Magdalene was in Luke and Mark, where they say that Jesus cured her of demons with no mention of adultery or anointing. John, Mark, and Matthew all write that Mary Magdalene was present at the crucifixion (Luke also says women were present but doesn’t name them) but none of them connect the woman at the crucifixion with the woman who was caught in adultery or the woman in Bethany. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/395 "2023-11-27T20:05:25Z")
Santos is missing a trick here. The American public loves a good redemption story. Santos needs to lean into that. He’s been caught and he can’t escape at this point. He should accept this reality. So he needs to embrace it. He should go on the air while he’s still newsworthy and admit he was wrong. Say he got seduced by the glamor of power and made mistakes. But now he’s hit bottom and has seen the errors of his ways. Throw in a little groveling and hopes that he may someday be forgiven by the people he’s wronged. People would love this. It gives them a chance to feel superior to somebody famous. And they can feel noble by forgiving somebody. They’ll start to think Santos wasn’t all that bad and he’s learned his lesson. And with that, Santos can start putting all this behind him and start building Santos 2.0. He can lay low for a couple of years and then get back into politics as the New George Santos. All he needs to do is fake some repentance. And faking things is what he’s best at. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/396 "2023-11-27T20:10:11Z")
Don’t forget checking into the Betty Ford clinic! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/397 "2023-11-27T20:12:24Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > All he needs to do is fake some repentance. And faking things is what he’s best at. And Jesus. He needs to lean into the “Saved by Jesus” theme. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/398 "2023-11-27T23:08:32Z")
He is actually facing criminal charges, isn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/399 "2023-11-27T23:25:54Z")
Oh yeah. A whole boatload of them. > **[Congressman George Santos Charged With Conspiracy, Wire Fraud, False...](https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/congressman-george-santos-charged-conspiracy-wire-fraud-false-statements-0)** > > CENTRAL ISLIP, NY – A 23-count superseding indictment was filed today in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York, charging George Anthony Devolder Santos, better known as “George Santos,” the United States Representative... He previously pled “not guilty” to 13 different counts, 10 more came out last month in a newer indictment. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/400 "2023-11-27T23:35:20Z")
Thanks, that’s what I thought. Hopefully, any laying low he is going to be doing will be in prison. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850.md?page=21)