# Representative George Santos: Indictment and Prosecution (Expelled from Congress on Dec 1, 2023) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 10, 2023, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850 "2023-05-10T14:28:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/461 "2023-12-01T16:28:46Z")
I can’t wait to see the shit fit he throws. With any kind of luck, some of it will get on some of his fellow party members. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/462 "2023-12-01T16:30:06Z")
I think he’ll go quietly. He threw his shit fit a week ago and knew this was happening. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/463 "2023-12-01T16:31:33Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > wow! that was not close at all. 311 - 114. Depends what you mean by “close.” They needed 290 votes to expel, so they had a margin of 21. Not razor thin, but not a blowout on what - in a saner universe - should have been a vote of 424-1. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/464 "2023-12-01T16:32:22Z")
GOP Rep. George Santos told CNN after the House voted to expel him that “it’s over.” “The House spoke that’s their vote. They just set new dangerous precedent for themselves,” he added. > When asked if he would still stay and use nonmember privileges because he is not convicted, Santos said, "Why would I want to stay here? To hell with this place.” Pressed if he knew this was how it was going to go, Santos said, “I had no skin in the game.” And then he said, “You know what? As unofficially no longer a member of Congress, I no longer have to answer your questions.” basically, i didn’t want to be here anyway, later losers, wah, wah, wah. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/465 "2023-12-01T16:37:25Z")
Thank you. And good. I wonder what he expected to happen. That no one would (eventually) notice all his lying and stealing? Or that he’d somehow develop a trump-esque following that would protect him? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/466 "2023-12-01T16:42:06Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Santos said, “I had no skin in the game.” Say what? A vote on whether you get kicked out or not is pretty much the definition of having skin in the game. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/467 "2023-12-01T16:45:41Z")
He appears to be a lifelong con artist, and not a very good one. Unlikely he had an endgame, it was entirely and solely in the pursuit of personal profit. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/468 "2023-12-01T16:46:14Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Say what? A vote on whether you get kicked out or not is pretty much the definition of having skin in the game. Unless you didn’t care about the job in the first place. He certainly behaved like he didn’t care about it. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/469 "2023-12-01T16:47:01Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > He appears to be a lifelong con artist, and not a very good one. Unlikely he had an endgame, it was entirely and solely in the pursuit of personal profit. And hopefully Trump will be right behind him. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/470 "2023-12-01T16:47:51Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > “The Clerk shall notify the governor of the State of New York of the action of the House.” As I mentioned upthread, under NY law Governor Hochul must announce a special election within 10 days of being notified of the vacancy, and that election must happen between 70 and 80 days from that announcement. Assuming the Clerk notifies her today and she schedules the special as soon as possible, the earliest Santos’ replacement could be seated is February 8th-ish. That would mean the seat will be empty when Congress must pass the budget or another CR to avoid a shutdown. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/471 "2023-12-01T16:48:11Z")
GOP Rep says he and his mother were among Santos’s victims: > **[Republican congressman says George Santos defrauded him and his mother](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/gop-congressman-says-santos-personally-defrauded-mother-rcna127611)** > > Rep. Max Miller argued for expelling Santos from office in a letter to colleagues, saying that the New Yorker's campaign charged his and his mother's credit cards without approval. Ouch. That’s gotta’ hurt. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/472 "2023-12-01T16:55:00Z")
Yeah, I am wondering about the reverberations of this, too. In the short term, the whole budget mess is concerning, but without Santos, does that give the Dems an edge? Longer term, is it possible to flip his seat to D? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/473 "2023-12-01T16:56:44Z")
Santos podcast in 3…2…1… ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/474 "2023-12-01T16:56:57Z")
His seat is very flippable. But it would have been easier to flip with Santos as the opponent. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/475 "2023-12-01T17:15:42Z")
Do we know who is lined up to take the seat? Or maybe I should say run for. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/476 "2023-12-01T17:19:22Z")
_"Why would I want to stay here? To hell with this place.”_ We now have a new gold standard for the definition of sour grapes. mmm ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/477 "2023-12-01T17:19:32Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > His seat is very flippable. But it would have been easier to flip with Santos as the opponent. Unfortunately Republicans did fairly well in last month’s local elections, especially those exploiting the “cut taxes” rhetoric, so if that’s a continuing trend, things don’t look too great for Dems. I’m embarrassed, ashamed and angry to say that Santos was my representative. No, I didn’t vote for him and I can’t think of any really outstanding candidates. Here’s one possible, Tom Suozzi, who has some baggage: > **[Not everyone’s welcoming back Tom Suozzi](https://www.politico.com/newsletters/new-york-playbook/2023/10/12/not-everyones-welcoming-back-tom-suozzi-00121143)** Anna Kaplan is a possible: > **[Anna M. Kaplan](https://www.nysenate.gov/senators/anna-m-kaplan)** ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/478 "2023-12-01T17:23:13Z")
In the immortal words of Clark W. Griswold, Jr.: ![](https://media.tenor.com/YZVMyiGNJL4AAAAC/gone-christmas-vacation.gif) ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/479 "2023-12-01T17:27:00Z")
> [@gkster](#): > > Unfortunately Republicans did fairly well in last month’s local elections, especially those exploiting the “cut taxes” rhetoric, so if that’s a continuing trend, things don’t look too great for Dems. I would not look at it that way - the worst Dems can do here is break-even. The upside/opportunity seems to be fairly significant. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/480 "2023-12-01T17:40:55Z")
**A Parting Gift:** > [@](#): > > # George Santos Accused Of Stealing House Member’s Personal Credit Card Info > > GOP Rep. Max Miller of Ohio made the allegation not long before Santos was expelled from Congress. > > … > > Rep. Max Miller (R-Ohio) accused his now-former GOP colleague George Santos of stealing his and his mother’s personal credit card information to make illegal contributions to his campaign — the latest shocking allegation leveled against the indicted ex-New York House member [who was expelled](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/george-santos-expelled-congress_n_6564f05fe4b05f498ba173ba) from Congress Friday. > > “Late yesterday on the floor, I alluded to a personal impact of Rep. Santos’ conduct,” [Miller wrote in a letter to colleagues Friday morning](https://x.com/JakeSherman/status/1730604017053483244?s=20). “Earlier this year, I learned that the Santos campaign had charged my personal credit card — and the personal credit card of my mother — for contribution amounts that exceeded FEC limits. Neither my mother nor I approved these charges nor were aware of them. We have spent tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees in the resulting follow-up.” > **[George Santos Accused Of Stealing House Member’s Personal Credit Card Info](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/max-miller-george-santos-expelled_n_656a0ee7e4b066e398b77240)** > > GOP Rep. Max Miller of Ohio made the allegation not long before Santos was expelled from Congress. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850.md?page=25)