# Representative George Santos: Indictment and Prosecution (Expelled from Congress on Dec 1, 2023) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 10, 2023, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850 "2023-05-10T14:28:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/501 "2023-12-01T20:30:03Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Yes, in his updated indictment he was charged with tapping into his donors’ credit card numbers to the tune of an extra $44K w/o their knowledge and then moving that money from the committee to his own pocket. Unfortunately, he’ll get into more trouble for the second part (moving to his own pocket) than he will for the first (steal from the donors). ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/502 "2023-12-01T21:08:14Z")
Did Santos provide any value to the GOP? Did he reliably vote along party lines? If not, then I can see why the GOP was willing to lose his vote in a time of slim majorities. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/503 "2023-12-01T21:28:16Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > When asked if he would still stay and use nonmember privileges because he is not convicted, Santos said, "Why would I want to stay here? To hell with this place.” I’m thinking this was a question from CNN? What did they mean by “stay and use nonmember privileges”? What nonmember privileges? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/504 "2023-12-01T21:29:08Z")
A few more details on what happens next from CNN: - although NY law says the governor must announce an election within 10 days, and it must take place in 70-80 days, evidently the governor can just…not do that? There is precedent for not following those rules - when Tom Reed resigned in 2021, those rules weren’t followed. Furthermore, with the announced retirement of Brian Higgins in February, the governor might choose to run those elections together. - Because Santos has not yet been convicted of crimes, he still retains some privileges including access to the House floor, dining room, gym and cloakroom. The expulsion resolution could have removed those privileges, but didn’t. However, if he actually used those privileges, it is likely the House would change those rules to remove them. - The sign in front of his office at the Capitol has already been removed and replaced with a generic one reading “Office of the Third Congressional District of New York.” ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/505 "2023-12-01T22:21:14Z")
Okay, so that answers my question about the nonmember privileges. But WTH? It boggles my mind that they wouldn’t just remove him completely. If he’s out of the House, why does he need to be using the dining room or whatever? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/506 "2023-12-01T22:32:16Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > It boggles my mind that they wouldn’t just remove him completely. If he’s out of the House, why does he need to be using the dining room or whatever? I think you answered your own question. He wouldn’t, therefore there’s no need to take the extra steps to remove those other privileges as well. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/507 "2023-12-01T22:37:22Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > although NY law says the governor must announce an election within 10 days, and it must take place in 70-80 days, evidently the governor can just…not do that? There is precedent for not following those rules - when Tom Reed resigned in 2021, those rules weren’t followed. Furthermore, with the announced retirement of Brian Higgins in February, the governor might choose to run those elections together. Part of me wants to see them just blatantly delay the election, in order to see all the spittle flying from the mouth of the party of “but what if we … didn’t?” ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/508 "2023-12-01T22:43:47Z")
I could see him coming back to eat there and make a spectacle, but it seems like he’s not going to do that. I’m a bit surprised he didn’t try to use the “I’m a martyr” or “I’m being bullied” angle for a little longer. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/509 "2023-12-01T22:55:25Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > The dangerous precedent was nominating and running a candidate without doing any sort of background check on him at all. He apparently said everything they wanted to hear, checked the right boxes for them, and they wanted to believe he was real so hard that nobody bothered to verify that he was. But what could the party have done? They couldn’t have barred him from the ballot, could they? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/510 "2023-12-01T22:57:31Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > But what could the party have done? They couldn’t have barred him from the ballot, could they? Advertise that he’s full of crap, with evidence. I’m guessing if that message was coming from your own party then it would tank the nomination. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/511 "2023-12-01T22:58:54Z")
Man, if they can do this to triple-Nobel prize winners who was awarded the Heisman trophy while their poor mother was killed in the Holocaust (prior to dying at the 9/11 attacks), they can do this to _anybody_. 😟 ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/512 "2023-12-01T23:03:13Z")
No one is safe! 😱 ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/513 "2023-12-01T23:06:58Z")
He might as well show up Monday for lunch in the dining room. What the hell at this point. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/514 "2023-12-01T23:15:41Z")
If it’s free food, why not? After all, he won’t be drawing another Congressional paycheck. ---
**Author:** ![vbob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vbob/32/4439_2.png) [@vbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vbob)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/515 "2023-12-01T23:34:46Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > the whole number of the House what, no fractional reps? - never mind the irrational part of the House… ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/516 "2023-12-02T00:09:18Z")
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**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/517 "2023-12-02T00:14:04Z")
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**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/518 "2023-12-02T00:28:29Z")
A tip, @Mundane_Super_Hero - in the imgflip page, right-click on the image (or long-press on a mobile device) and select “Open image in new tab.” Then copy the URL of that tab and paste that into your post, and it will show much nicer. [![](https://i.imgflip.com/87yize.jpg) ](https://i.imgflip.com/87yize.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/519 "2023-12-02T00:41:24Z")
The satirical New York Times pitchbot is killing it > George Santos to join Harvard’s Institute of Politics. > Why was George Santos expelled from Congress? Because he became too woke. > Opinion | Congress may expel George Santos, but they will never take away his dignity. > The expulsion of another embattled Republican could give Lauren Boebert a free hand to firm up support. > Check out my new Netflix special called “I’m Being Silenced” > Santos-Menendez unity ticket? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/520 "2023-12-02T00:45:45Z")
Scott Perry voted against Santos’ expulsion. I wonder why. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850.md?page=27)