# Representative George Santos: Indictment and Prosecution (Expelled from Congress on Dec 1, 2023) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 10, 2023, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850 "2023-05-10T14:28:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/521 "2023-12-02T00:46:01Z")
Funny. But what’s a pitchbot? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/522 "2023-12-02T00:57:08Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > But what’s a pitchbot? More than you needed to know: [The bot that saw the Times - Columbia Journalism Review (cjr.org)](https://www.cjr.org/the_profile/nyt-pitchbot.php) ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/523 "2023-12-02T02:05:54Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > It’ll help people understand what Trump means when he calls things a witch hunt, that is, getting in trouble for doing things you’re not supposed to do. Witch hunt it may be, but when you keep finding witches… ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/524 "2023-12-02T02:17:00Z")
> **[Fetterman re-ups call for ouster of 'more sinister' Menendez amid Santos...](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/01/fetterman-menendez-santos-expulsion-00129697)** > > “If you are going to expel Santos, how can you allow somebody like Menendez to remain in the Senate?” Fetterman asked. One difference is that an ethics committee had a finding regarding Santos. Also, the number of alleged Santos crimes is higher. But I think the charges against Menendez are more relevant to the job of being a sitting senator. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/525 "2023-12-02T03:27:07Z")
It could be that Santos did, in fact, steal Miller’s card number… but it could also be that Miller and his mother did actually make payments to PACs above the legal limit, and he’s just using Santos as a convenient excuse. Either one would be entirely within character. > [@gkster](#): > > “Anyone who thinks a special election on Long Island is a slam dunk for Democrats has been living under a rock for the last three years,” said Isaac Goldberg, a strategist who advised the losing Democratic campaign against Mr. Santos in 2022." This would be one of the guys who should have been investigating the opposition but didn’t? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/526 "2023-12-02T03:56:11Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > It could be that Santos did, in fact, steal Miller’s card number… but it could also be that Miller and his mother did actually make payments to PACs above the legal limit, and he’s just using Santos as a convenient excuse. They signed up for recurring payments inadvertently and didn’t notice and eventually went over the limit ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/527 "2023-12-02T15:37:12Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > > [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > > > > [@kayaker](#): > > > > > > I’m beginning to question Mr Santos’ integrity. . > > > > I’m beginning to question his humanity. > > I’m not questioning his Republicanism at all. No, Santos being a Republican checks out. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/528 "2023-12-02T16:10:35Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > signed up for recurring payments inadvertently and didn’t notice and eventually went over Which would bring it further into the realm of dodgy design since one would imagine it would be a prudent thing for a campaign or PAC to program into the system to flag the cap limit. What is usually the practice is that when the committee puts together and files the periodic finance reports, if any excess or disallowed donation is detected, you refund it in a timely manner and note so in the report, and most of the time that’s good enough. You don’t just keep it and make the affected person and his credit card issuer fight you for it. But then again people really need to learn again to read their credit card statements… ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/529 "2023-12-02T16:21:00Z")
I can (almost) understand the Republican House Leadership voting not to expell Santos because EVERY OTHER House expulsion was either from The Confederacy, or was CONVICTED of a federal crime. Then I see this as a symptom of our current atmosphere. Yeah, every other one was covicted prior to expulsion because others had the decency to resign before being expelled. Kinda like Nixon resigned; Trump said “Bring it on!” ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/530 "2023-12-02T16:36:17Z")
(Re: The NY Times pitchbot): That reminds me of a Simpsons episode where Homer is temporarily intelligent. He says, “according to _The Economist_, Indonesia is at a crossroads!” (_The Economist_ good-humoredly responded with a real article with this title, about a month later). ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/531 "2023-12-02T17:03:14Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > Yeah, every other one was covicted prior to expulsion because others had the decency to resign before being expelled. Right, the Old Normal was in fact premised on that if you were up against major scandal or prosecution, you’d rather spare the institution and having to force your colleagues to judge you. Today there’s Bob Menendez and George Santos. > [@](#): > > Kinda like Nixon resigned; Trump said “Bring it on!” OTOH the Senate Republicans had let Nixon know they would _not_ have his back. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/532 "2023-12-02T18:03:13Z")
Thank You! I keep forgetting that… ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/533 "2023-12-02T19:24:45Z")
He went on an epic rant last night. He’s going to take a bunch of others down with him. [https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4338930-santos-threatens-former-colleagues-with-ethics-complaints/](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4338930-santos-threatens-former-colleagues-with-ethics-complaints/) ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/534 "2023-12-02T19:32:57Z")
Santos has the same right to make file complaints to the House Ethics Committee as any private citizen, and likely to the same effect. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/535 "2023-12-02T22:21:35Z")
So he finally got to that chapter of the Republican playbook — the one entitled “Tu Quoque” ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/536 "2023-12-02T22:38:00Z")
Hahaha > Menendez spokesman Michael Zhadanovsky brushed off the complaint in a statement to The Hill on Saturday. > > “George Santos is neither Rep. Menendez’s colleague nor a constituent so we will not expend any energy responding to his Botox-fueled fits of rage,” he said. > In response, LaLota spokesman Will Kiley told The Hill that “George is just mad the congressman has three actual degrees, while he lied about one.” ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/537 "2023-12-02T22:58:40Z")
That guy’s told so many lies, I’ve questioned his very existence! Someone on another board, upon hearing the news, said she thought of Hall & Oates’ “She’s Gone” with slightly altered lyrics. I replied that I don’t think anyone is going to be willing to pay the devil to replace him, and several other people told her about the current H&O lawsuit, which she didn’t know about. I remember how much my brother, who like me was a teenager in the early and/or mid 1980s, hated Hall & Oates’ music, but in recent years, he’s become a big fan of Daryl Hall’s renovation program on the DIY Channel. > **[Hall & Oates Lawsuit Ruling: Judge Blocks Oates From Selling to Primary...](https://www.billboard.com/business/legal/hall-oates-lawsuit-ruling-judge-blocks-primary-wave-sale-1235518732/)** > > The judge granted a restraining order preventing John Oates from selling his share of the duo’s joint venture until an arbitrator has heard Daryl Hall’s objections. ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/538 "2023-12-02T23:20:03Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > > [@gkster](#): > > > > “Anyone who thinks a special election on Long Island is a slam dunk for Democrats has been living under a rock for the last three years,” said Isaac Goldberg, a strategist who advised the losing Democratic campaign against Mr. Santos in 2022." > > This would be one of the guys who should have been investigating the opposition but didn’t? Yes, the campaign strategists really messed up, but of course they won’t admit it. [Isaac Goldberg - BerlinRosen](https://berlinrosen.com/staff/isaac-goldberg/) All the wins listed in this guy’s bio are from several years back. Steve Bellone’s 2nd term just ran out, and he couldn’t run again because of term limits; the County Executive position is being taken over by a Republican. And Laura Curran, after 1 term as Nassau County Executive, has been replaced by Republican Bruce Blakeman. For every 1 sign or mailing from Robert Zimmerman (the Dem in the 2022 race), there were 5 or 6 from George Santos. A small local newspaper reported on Santos’s lies during the campaign, but none of the major outlets picked it up, and the campaign decided that they should spend money elsewhere [George Santos 2022 campaign - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Santos#2022_campaign) ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/539 "2023-12-03T02:17:54Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > He went on an epic rant last night. He’s going to take a bunch of others down with him. To quote (attributed to) the Duke of Wellington to Joseph Stockdale, “Publish and be damned!” ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850/540 "2023-12-03T12:12:48Z")
So is this clown going to face criminal charges? I’m not hearing discussion about that. > [@Skypist](#): > > I could see him coming back to eat there and make a spectacle… Well, the man does like to eat. mmm [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/representative-george-santos-indictment-and-prosecution-expelled-from-congress-on-dec-1-2023/983850.md?page=28)