# Repub claims "Liberals hate real Americans who work hard, believe in God!" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 22, 2008, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008 "2008-10-22T02:42:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/21 "2008-10-22T03:43:25Z")
Heaven forbid that the rich should pay “their fair share.” What a ridiculous idea. > [@](#): > > **choie** : Is there any doubt that this is an intentional part of the narrative that the Republicans are trying to sell us: Small town good, big city/liberals bad? South/Midwest good, Northeast bad?.. In your attempt to sort through the “true Scotsman” rubbish of the Republicans, don’t be tempted to buy into any of the broad brush thinking. Most of the South will probably be in the McCain column, but don’t forget to take a look at post-election maps that show the popular vote. You will find that we are not as red (“Real American”) as the Republicans might have you think. We will be varying shades of purple. BTW, “real Americans” is redundant. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/22 "2008-10-22T03:48:57Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > :rolleyes: Then you **are** crazier than a shithouse rat. A reasoned proposal to make the federal tax system a little more redistributive, based on reasonable arguments about the benefits of widespread prosperity that are endorsed by most mainstream economists, is not remotely comparable in offensiveness to attacking somebody with a derogatory racial epithet. Let’s be clear here. Obama wants to “spread the wealth around” by increasing taxes on rich people and making cash payments to poor people. He’s not just increasing taxes on rich people to pay the expenses of government as you discussed in your previous post. For those who don’t know, Obama’s panoply (plethora?) of new tax credits and increases in old tax credits would increase the number of non-taxpayers (i.e., those who don’t pay tax) and increase cash payments to those who already receive cash payments. This is what is offensive to me, not just simply increasing the capital gains rate to Clinton levels or whatever. Also, you don’t have issues that you are offended about? Like if someone says “abortion is murder and if you support a woman’s right to choose to murder her baby then you are guilty of murder to” you don’t get offended? This is what I meant by “offended” (i.e., extreme disgust and aversion). ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/23 "2008-10-22T03:49:34Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Most of the South will probably be in the McCain column, but don’t forget to take a look at post-election maps that show the popular vote. Indeed. Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, Alabama, and Louisiana will not be close, but North Carolina and Virginia will be, and Arkansas, Mississippi and Georgia may well be. Florida is in a category all its own. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/24 "2008-10-22T03:52:00Z")
> [@Mustafa\_Al-Habib](#): > > So you’re saying poor people don’t deserve any help? I hope you end up on the street, and we’ll see how you feel about it then. I don’t want the US to increase taxes on the rich for the purpose of increasing cash payments to the poor. This position is not equivalent to believing that poor people don’t deserve any help. ---
**Author:** ![UnwrittenNocturne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/6de8d8/32.png) [@UnwrittenNocturne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwrittenNocturne)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/25 "2008-10-22T03:52:26Z")
> [@Mustafa\_Al-Habib](#): > > So you’re saying poor people don’t deserve any help? I hope you end up on the street, and we’ll see how you feel about it then. He really doesn’t. Check his posts - terrifying and inhuman. He has the moral sensibilities of Gary Gilmore. **Polycarp** you may not qualify as a liberal but you could be a socialist agitator like your boss ya know 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/26 "2008-10-22T03:53:15Z")
> [@UnwrittenNocturne](#): > > He really doesn’t. Check his posts - terrifying and inhuman. He has the moral sensibilities of Gary Gilmore. Check my posts again yourself, you fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/27 "2008-10-22T03:55:23Z")
> [@rand rover](#): > > the two statements from obama i posted most definitely qualify as divisive and hateful. Also, people who make over $250k per year are a much larger group than those that do not believe in god, so obama’s statements arguably bring the hate on more people. wrongo!!! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/28 "2008-10-22T03:58:32Z")
> [@Rand Rover](#): > > This is what is offensive to me, not just simply increasing the capital gains rate to Clinton levels or whatever. Disapproving of such a proposed policy is one thing. Saying that you find it just as offensive as the use of the nastiest racial slur in the American vocabulary is another thing, and a much more batshit-insane one. > [@Rand Rover](#): > > Also, you don’t have issues that you are offended about? Like if someone says “abortion is murder and if you support a woman’s right to choose to murder her baby then you are guilty of murder to” you don’t get offended? This is what I meant by “offended” (i.e., extreme disgust and aversion). I certainly don’t get offended at somebody merely stating the opinion that abortion is murder, or that people who support abortion rights are morally guilty of murder. I strongly disagree with that position, but I can tolerate it as a sincere conviction, just as I can tolerate the view of many animal-rights supporters that killing animals is murder. Stating such a position isn’t even remotely comparable to flinging around hate-filled epithets like “nigger”. That word isn’t necessary to express any conviction or describe a moral viewpoint. It’s nothing but the verbal equivalent of a gratuitous kick in the teeth, and as such it is intrinsically **FAR** more offensive than any mere statement of a moral belief, even one that I might happen to strongly disagree with. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/29 "2008-10-22T04:00:16Z")
I don’t hate the rich, but simply see no reason for altruism on their behalf. My self-interest demands class war and a dictatorship of the proletariat, guided by the revolutionary cadres, is the best means to make my self-interest manifest. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/30 "2008-10-22T04:12:38Z")
One may wonder why YOU aren’t the best means to make your self-interest manifest? You lefties! Always wantin’ it done for ya. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/31 "2008-10-22T04:23:03Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > One may wonder why YOU aren’t the best means to make your self-interest manifest? > > You lefties! Always wantin’ it done for ya. You righties, always actin’ proud about stuff you were given and haven’t worked for. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/32 "2008-10-22T04:26:03Z")
Oh, I don’t need it done for me. I’m just sick of it being done to me! Gets on your nerves, after a while. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/33 "2008-10-22T04:29:23Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You righties, always actin’ proud about stuff you were given and haven’t worked for. Not really wanting to be here all night I’m almost afraid to ask, but just what would that be? ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/34 "2008-10-22T04:29:43Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I beg to differ. We [hate the homeless](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=488819), apparently. _And_ God. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/35 "2008-10-22T04:30:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Oh, I don’t need it done for me. I’m just sick of it being done to me! Gets on your nerves, after a while. Yeah, I know what you mean. Confiscatory tax policies do suck, don’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/36 "2008-10-22T04:33:32Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Not really wanting to be here all night I’m almost afraid to ask, but just what would that be? Oh I was just trying to show you that your fucking “liberals want… blah blah blah” was bullshit and could be turned around meaninglessly about the conservative side. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/37 "2008-10-22T04:38:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > One may wonder why YOU aren’t the best means to make your self-interest manifest? > > You lefties! Always wantin’ it done for ya. We do it by voting, etc. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/38 "2008-10-22T04:57:18Z")
> [@Terrifel](#): > > Okay, so how would a person express that idea using language that you’d find inoffensive? “That’ll be $500/hr, please.” ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/39 "2008-10-22T05:03:05Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Oh I was just trying to show you that your fucking “liberals want… blah blah blah” was bullshit and could be turned around meaninglessly about the conservative side. So liberals wanting forced redistribution of earned wealth equates to conservatives wanting…well…nothing? But apart from all that, you failed on both counts: you neither showed that my comment was bullshit, nor showed that it could be turned…around…meaninglessly… Oh, wait, you did turn it around meaninglessly. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > We do it by voting, etc. And thus we have the liberal definition of self-reliance and self-determination: “We vote for Daddy G to take stuff away from you and give it to us.” ---
**Author:** ![Mustafa\_Al-Habib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Mustafa\_Al-Habib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mustafa_Al-Habib)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/40 "2008-10-22T05:05:35Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I don’t want the US to increase taxes on the rich for the purpose of increasing cash payments to the poor. This position is not equivalent to believing that poor people don’t deserve any help. So if you agree that poor people are entitled to a better quality of life, where do you think the money should come from? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008.md?page=3)