# Repub claims "Liberals hate real Americans who work hard, believe in God!" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 22, 2008, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008 "2008-10-22T02:42:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/101 "2008-10-22T20:00:16Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Fight my ignorance here – what sort of cash payments does he want to make to the poor? Yeah, and where do I line up to get one? Is it really cash or is it a check, 'cause, like, they charge me down at the check cashing place. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/102 "2008-10-22T20:06:37Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And thus we have the liberal definition of self-reliance and self-determination: > > “We vote for Daddy G to take stuff away from you and give it to us.” Revolution would be even better, but, you know, art of the possible and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/103 "2008-10-22T21:06:06Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Revolution would be even better, but, you know, art of the possible and all that. True. Given the overwhelmingly large number of people who live comfortably and well in this country thanks to its work ethic and capitalistic economy, I wouldn’t think revolution would be much of an option. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/104 "2008-10-22T21:17:31Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Fight my ignorance here – what sort of cash payments does he want to make to the poor? What this is mostly referring to is Obama’s proposed expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit, a refundable tax credit on wage income for low-income taxpayers that has been part of the federal tax code for nearly thirty years now. “Refundable” means that for some qualifying taxpayers, they can get back from the government through the EITC a sum **greater** than what they actually paid in taxes, so the EITC can function as a net-negative tax. This perfectly workable and well-established system for providing income support specifically to low-income people who work for a living is currently being spun by the right as some kind of shocking and novel Robin-Hood-type innovation from the Obama campaign. You can read the Moonie-loony _Washington Times’_ [take on the matter](http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/13/obama-tax-cut-refunds-those-who-dont-pay/), which never once mentions that we already have this “refundable tax credit” in our tax system. Or you can just go to the [Obama platform website](http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/) and see a more realistic description of his tax plan proposal. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/105 "2008-10-22T21:22:05Z")
Its Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder. They can read the handwriting on the wall, and it says “Ya’ll are about to get the living shit stomped out of you!” and its driven them nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/106 "2008-10-22T21:26:50Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > The technical term is Randroid. I’m thinking “Objectionablist,” though that may be too much of a mouthful. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/107 "2008-10-22T21:44:31Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > What this is mostly referring to is Obama’s proposed expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit, a refundable tax credit on wage income for low-income taxpayers that has been part of the federal tax code for nearly thirty years now. “Refundable” means that for some qualifying taxpayers, they can get back from the government through the EITC a sum **greater** than what they actually paid in taxes, so the EITC can function as a net-negative tax. > > This perfectly workable and well-established system for providing income support specifically to low-income people who work for a living is currently being spun by the right as some kind of shocking and novel Robin-Hood-type innovation from the Obama campaign. You can read the Moonie-loony _Washington Times’_ [take on the matter](http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/13/obama-tax-cut-refunds-those-who-dont-pay/), which never once mentions that we already have this “refundable tax credit” in our tax system. > > Or you can just go to the [Obama platform website](http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/) and see a more realistic description of his tax plan proposal. And he’s proposing new tax credits. And he’s proposing another round of “stimulus payments.” I’ll put up some more links when I’m not on the blackberry. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/108 "2008-10-22T21:47:47Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Its Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder. They can read the handwriting on the wall, and it says “Ya’ll are about to get the living shit stomped out of you!” and its driven them nuts. Actually, for those of you that are so enamoured of polls, some numbers now show a dead heat. Interestingly, the only time I’ve seen an article discussing the problems with polling was in an article discussing these numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/109 "2008-10-22T21:49:44Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Actually, for those of you that are so enamoured of polls, some numbers now show a dead heat. The vast majority do not, and the AP has yet to explain why their LV model removes so much of Obama’s support when, if anything, the opposite is indicated. People are a lot more excited to vote for Obama than they are for McCain. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/110 "2008-10-22T21:58:26Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Interestingly, the only time I’ve seen an article discussing the problems with polling was in an article discussing these numbers. Dunno where you’ve been reading, but I’ve seen several within the last few weeks, at times when polls have shown a wider gap. It’s true that people will see what they want to see. I’ll see if I can’t dig a few up for you. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/111 "2008-10-22T22:07:00Z")
> [@Rand Rover](#): > > I’ll put up some more links when I’m not on the blackberry. Here, let me help you. From [National Review Online: “Obama’s New Tax Welfare”](http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDMzMzRlOTJhNjdmYWI1YWY3OTg3MTVjNjZiNjI5MjU=). Again, what Obama’s proposing is a fairly modest expansion of existing income redistribution programs and stimulus payments. Most economists agree that trying to inject some cash into low-income taxpayers’ pockets in a recession economy is a damn good idea. This is not some kind of half-assed Marxist scheme to usher in the new socialist dawn, for freak’s sake. This is good old-fashioned Keynesian economics, of the kind that used to be totally unremarkable until the hysterical market fundamentalists and Randroids (good one!) started hijacking so much of our public discourse on economic matters. “Taxation is theft!” “Governments are jackbooted thugs!” “Refundable tax credits are as offensive as vicious racial epithets!” :rolleyes: Oh, for mercy’s sake. Get **over** yourselves, you oversensitive tender flowers, you. If you are going to have a fit of the vapors every time somebody brings up a rational, mainstream economic concept that happens to be anathema to your delicate Objectively-nurtured sensibilities, it is simply a waste of time trying to talk to you. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/112 "2008-10-22T22:29:36Z")
Found a couple: [Sept 23](http://pewresearch.org/pubs/964/cell-phones-and-the-2008-vote-an-update) Pew Research releases report that cell phone use may affect polling results. Obama is leading by 2.3 percentage points according to Real Clear Politics. [Sept. 28](http://www.livescience.com/culture/080928-political-polls.html) General discussion of polling problems. Obama is leading by 4.8 points according to RCP. [Oct. 8](http://www.thenextright.com/sean-oxendine/the-difference-between-likely-and-registered-voter-polls) Discussion of difference between “likely” and “registered” voters. Obama is leading by 5.1 according to RCP. Obama is leading by 7 points today, according to RCP. So, in fact I was wrong that there was a wider gap when those articles and opinions were posted; there’s a wider gap NOW. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/113 "2008-10-22T22:41:11Z")
If those real Americans who work hard and believe in God are defined as Republicans, then they are absolutely right: I do hate them (Republicans, that is) and everything they stand for and believe in. I’m fed up with their back-stabbing, two-faced, underhanded. lying, cheating ways and would like to see them transported to the North Pole naked. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/114 "2008-10-22T22:45:00Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#): > > Dunno where you’ve been reading, but I’ve seen several within the last few weeks, at times when polls have shown a wider gap. It’s true that people will see what they want to see. He is probably thinking of the Nickelodeon online kids poll, which had it at Obama 49, McCain 47. Drudge was said to be actually featuring that one. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/115 "2008-10-23T03:16:15Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#): > > Found a couple: > > [Sept 23](http://pewresearch.org/pubs/964/cell-phones-and-the-2008-vote-an-update) Pew Research releases report that cell phone use may affect polling results. > Obama is leading by 2.3 percentage points according to Real Clear Politics. > [Sept. 28](http://www.livescience.com/culture/080928-political-polls.html) General discussion of polling problems. Obama is leading by 4.8 points according to RCP. > [Oct. 8](http://www.thenextright.com/sean-oxendine/the-difference-between-likely-and-registered-voter-polls) Discussion of difference between “likely” and “registered” voters. Obama is leading by 5.1 according to RCP. > > Obama is leading by 7 points today, according to RCP. So, in fact I was wrong that there was a wider gap when those articles and opinions were posted; there’s a wider gap NOW. Sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant that this is the only time I’ve seen an article announcing the results of a poll that includes comments about how polling may not be accurate. And I fully admit that there may have been others before that I didn’t see. It just struck me as odd in the article I read today. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/116 "2008-10-23T03:18:27Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Politician says something stupid to appeal to their supporters. Nothing new here. Ask Obama about “spreading the wealth around” and “making the rich pay their fair share.” Wow! These two quote ARE EXACTLY equivalent. Thanks for pointing that out. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/117 "2008-10-23T03:32:37Z")
I have to admit, I’d be concerned if Obama started expressing “eat the rich!” and “destroy the bloated plutocrats!” rhetoric. I’ve read and enjoyed three of Rand’s novels, by the way, and read some of her essays and her testimony to HUAC. This has not, as far as I can tell, destroyed my ability to distinguish between a Democrat and a Communist. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/118 "2008-10-23T03:34:11Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > Wow! These two quote ARE EXACTLY equivalent. Thanks for pointing that out. Sure, no problem duder. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/119 "2008-10-23T05:09:00Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I have to admit, I’d be concerned if Obama started expressing “eat the rich!” Hey-that’s one of Aerosmith’s best songs, dammit! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008/120 "2008-10-23T10:07:51Z")
I feel that the phrase “bloated plutocrat” is due for a comeback. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-claims-liberals-hate-real-americans-who-work-hard-believe-in-god/469008.md?page=7)