# Repub Ideas did NOT win, LIES did **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 5, 2004, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089 "2004-11-05T00:17:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/21 "2004-11-05T02:45:07Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > The idea that the left is “out of touch” with the mainstream is also horseshit. Actually, your thread(s) and the threads of the other weeping losers pretty much are proof that you guys are wickedly out of touch with the mainstream. If losing the Presidency, the Senate, and the House doesn’t get that through your thick skulls, then we have a filibuster-proof Senate in 2006, and President Jeb Bush in 2008. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/22 "2004-11-05T02:49:26Z")
Weeping losers? You really are an arrogant asshole. I hope to be the first in line to say “I told you so” every time Bush and Cheney fuck up again. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/23 "2004-11-05T02:58:48Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Weeping losers? You really are an arrogant asshole. I hope to be the first in line to say “I told you so” every time Bush and Cheney fuck up again. You fools don’t seem to realize that your view of ‘how things should be’ was smacked down. People don’t buy what you are peddling, no matter how many sad (but satisfyingly humorous) threads you start. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/24 "2004-11-05T03:04:23Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Weeping losers? You really are an arrogant asshole. I hope to be the first in line to say “I told you so” every time Bush and Cheney fuck up again. Don’t get too excited at that prospect, Steve. According to them, Bush doesn’t fuck up. Everything is great in Iraq, the economy is …how did I hear it put? “the best in our lifetimes”, etc. They can do “Lalala I can’t hear you” in 3 part harmony. I’m pretty sure that we could discover Bush and Cheney buggering little boys in the basement and the Brutuses would call it strong disicpline. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/25 "2004-11-05T03:13:25Z")
STEVEG1 > [@](#): > > You don’t know jack about many of us. Don’t act like you do. I’m sure you meant to direct this at STOID. Right? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/26 "2004-11-05T03:14:28Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Weeping losers? You really are an arrogant asshole. I hope to be the first in line to say “I told you so” every time Bush and Cheney fuck up again. Sure. That should work much better this election cycle than it did before. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/27 "2004-11-05T03:24:57Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Weeping losers? You really are an arrogant asshole. I hope to be the first in line to say “I told you so” every time Bush and Cheney fuck up again. Ya know, that comes pretty close to: We can’t wait for shit to go wrong so we can say “Nyah-Nyah-N-Nyah Nyah!” At least the better people are saying, “Gee, as much as I might like to see it, I hope nothing bad happens to my country because of George Bush and the Republicans. Because in 4 years, \*we’re taking it back!” And **Stoid!** Drink some wine, smoke some weed (but lay off the munchies), go out and get some fresh air. _:sheesh:_ ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/28 "2004-11-05T03:28:11Z")
> [@Jodi](#): > > STEVEG1 > > I’m sure you meant to direct this at STOID. Right? It was directed at that long list of characteristics from Egineer. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/29 "2004-11-05T04:00:13Z")
STEVE, my friend, that wooshing sound you heard was my point flying over your head. Allow me to clarify: Your statement, “You don’t know jack about many of us. Don’t act like you do,” is a perfect rejoinder to the OP, which is why I ironically asked if that wasn’t where you were directing it. [Steve Martin from _Roxanne_]“Irony? Oh, _irony_! We don’t have irony around here.”[/SMF_R_] ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/30 "2004-11-05T04:21:26Z")
Brutus, what the fuck are you smoking? More people turned out to vote AGAINST your guy than have ever than ever voted against an incumbent in the history of this country! The difference between the two was 3.5 million. That’s not even the population of New york City! Are you telling me that the values and ideals of 55 MILLION people are marginal and meaningless? That is a big, fat, stupid lie and we aren’t going to let you keep pushing it. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/31 "2004-11-05T04:28:13Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Brutus, what the fuck are you smoking? More people turned out to vote AGAINST your guy than have ever than ever voted against an incumbent in the history of this country! > > The difference between the two was 3.5 million. That’s not even the population of New york City! Are you telling me that the values and ideals of 55 MILLION people are marginal and meaningless? That is a big, fat, stupid lie and we aren’t going to let you keep pushing it. And the House and Senate seats gained by the GOP? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/32 "2004-11-05T04:36:00Z")
I got a question, and, 'struth, I dont really know the answer. I wonder if GeeDubya can really move his agenda with an approval rate as low as it is, and I wonder if he can if it continues to fall? Iraq ain’t gonna get better any time soon, if ever. I doubt very much if anyone who voted against him changed their mind because we got rolled over on. So, if things don’t get better, at what point will his co-conspirators in the House and Senate start glancing at the exits? He ain’t worried about being re-elected. But if things go really sour, heading towards the Iraqi elections, he might be a lame duck before he even gets re-inaugurated. Can he be an effective President if his approval falls any lower? ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/33 "2004-11-05T04:46:27Z")
> [@](#): > > I wonder if GeeDubya can really move his agenda with an approval rate as low as it is, and I wonder if he can if it continues to fall? Well, yes. Yes, he can. He does not need a high approval rating to move his agenda now. The role of the American public at large is essentially over. He has Republican majorities in the house and senate and he’s probably going to be filling two – and maybe four – Supreme Court seats. Plus he’s a second term president who will not be restrained by re-election concerns from pushing whatever the hell agenda he wants. I’m not gloating, but those are the facts, Jack. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/34 "2004-11-05T04:47:16Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Yes, some millions of people voted for Bush with a pretty clear understanding of exactly what he has done, will do, and believes. They knew and understood these things in spite of all his efforts to obscure the truth. They are ok with it. SDMB Bush voters (or at least, the ones who engage in debate about these matters, generally speaking) are representative of this group. > > But he did not RUN on these things. The Bush - I’m sorry, the ROVE - campaign was not “Here are all the great things I have done and will continue to do and how very successful they are, let’s review and renew, shall we?” His campaign was a network of lies, obfuscations, smoke and mirrors. They told obscene and outrageous lies about Kerry, appealed to the fears of the ill-informed and people of faith, and it worked. > > So please, stop declaring that Republican ideas are just that much more popular, because it’s bullshit. Most of us here are aware of the Pipa report which shows that the MAJORITY of his supporters disagree with him on many fundamentals…and don’t even know it. > > The idea that the left is “out of touch” with the mainstream is also horseshit. It’s a lie, and you can go peddle it someplace else, but don’t try it here were we are devoted to eradicating ignorance. Hm, I think you really are barking up the wrong tree on this. It turns out that the biggest “issue” for Bush supporters, beating out the war in Iraq and the economy by several percentage points, was “moral issues.” Gay marriage. Stem cell research. Partial-birth abortion. God and family whitebread blah blah blah bullshit. Basically, the knuckle-dragging, reactionary bible-thumpers came out in DROVES because we can’t have them thar faggits gittin’ married , now, can we? A vote for Bush this election was, in a very real sense, a vote for a Fundy America. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/35 "2004-11-05T04:48:07Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Brutus, what the fuck are you smoking? More people turned out to vote AGAINST your guy than have ever than ever voted against an incumbent in the history of this country! > > The difference between the two was 3.5 million. That’s not even the population of New york City! Are you telling me that the values and ideals of 55 MILLION people are marginal and meaningless? That is a big, fat, stupid lie and we aren’t going to let you keep pushing it. Yet, in 2000 when Gore got a mere 500,000 more in the popular vote, your whole argument was that he “deserved” to be President, because “the people have spoken”. In this election, Bush’s lead in the popular vote was SIX TIMES larger. The people HAVE spoken, and your guy lost. (You lost in the Senate and the House too.) I hope we get Scalia for Chief Justice, as well. :wally ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@Bill\_H](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_H)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/36 "2004-11-05T04:48:39Z")
**Brutus** wrote > [@](#): > > Actually, your thread(s) and the threads of the other weeping losers pretty much are proof that you guys are wickedly out of touch with the mainstream. If losing the Presidency, the Senate, and the House doesn’t get that through your thick skulls, then we have a filibuster-proof Senate in 2006, and President Jeb Bush in 2008. Pssst. You forgot to mention that they lost a couple Supreme Court Justice seats as well. Not to rub it in or anything. Well, I guess I am. You know, I so much want to see these next years be more inclusive with the center. But at the same time, I just delight in the sobs of the extremists who can’t figure out what just happened. “It’s so obvious he’s evil. How did he get elected again, if it weren’t a pact with Satan, or some voodoo mind control?” ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/37 "2004-11-05T04:51:27Z")
> [@Bill H.](#): > > I just delight in the sobs of the extremists " Extreme how? If you refer to reaction, that’s a matter of opinion. If you refer to my politics, I defy you to demonstrate what about my politics )and those of at least 55 million other Americans) is so extreme? My politics are very MOR, actually. Too bad the same cannot be said for the lying corrupt scum in power. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/38 "2004-11-05T04:52:36Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > Yet, in 2000 when Gore got a mere 500,000 more in the popular vote, your whole argument was that he “deserved” to be President, because " Cite? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/39 "2004-11-05T04:55:42Z")
I don’t think we’re _quite_ changing into the Republic of Gilead, but we do need to recognize that there is a fundamental disconnect betwen what we see as important and what Bush’s supporters see. I’m still having trouble understanding how gay marriage is more of an issue to a blue collar guy in Ohio than a decent jobs forecast is. Instead of sneering, though, we’d be smarter to get humble and learn why Bush’s people voted the way they did. I just wish I didn’t feel that my country has turned on me. It hurts profoundly to know that millions of Americans hate me and mine so much that they enacted laws targeted at me. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/40 "2004-11-05T04:57:21Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Cite? Cite? yourself, dearie. Let’s spare the hamsters, and all. Unless you’ve changed your tune, somehow, and now agree that Bush was elected, quite properly, in 2000? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089.md?page=3)