# Repub Ideas did NOT win, LIES did **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 5, 2004, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089 "2004-11-05T00:17:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/41 "2004-11-05T04:57:30Z")
[Cite.](http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html) [Cite.](http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm) [Cite.](http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0876793.html) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/42 "2004-11-05T04:58:22Z")
> [@Jodi](#): > > …Plus he’s a second term president who will not be restrained by re-election concerns from pushing whatever the hell agenda he wants. I’m not gloating, but those are the facts, Jack. Well, maybe. Its true that he doesn’t have to worry about another term. But the congresscritters don’t worry about anything but. If Bush ever becomes as unpopular as I think he deserves, they will back away from him like he had smallpox and was trying to kiss 'em. Has any President been re-elected with a lower approval? What happened next? ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/43 "2004-11-05T04:59:34Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m still having trouble understanding how gay marriage is more of an issue to a blue collar guy in Ohio than a decent jobs forecast is. Instead of sneering, though, we’d be smarter to get humble and learn why Bush’s people voted the way they did. Easy. Religion. You can get another job, but HELL IS FOREVER, son! And Lord knows, the whole goddamn country’s going straight to hell if we let same-sex couples enjoy nuptial bliss. Cause you know, it’s an abomination and shit. But if you want to sell your daughters into slavery, or pass a woman down from brother to brother, be my fucking guest. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@Bill\_H](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_H)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/44 "2004-11-05T05:01:28Z")
**Stoid** wrote > [@](#): > > Extreme how? If you refer to reaction, that’s a matter of opinion. If you refer to my politics, I defy you to demonstrate what about my politics )and those of at least 55 million other Americans) is so extreme? My politics are very MOR, actually. Don’t kid yourself into thinking that 55 million people had the extreme (yes, I said “extreme”) hatred for Mr. Bush and his administration that you do. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/45 "2004-11-05T05:05:12Z")
To quote a mouth-breathing moron on the Rick & Bubba show the other morning (aside from Rick and/or Bubba, who are both decidedly mentally challenged themselves,) “I’m votin’ for Bush, cause I just feel like he’s a good Christian mayun!” Do you think it matters to these people that not everyone in America is a Christian? Hell no. Or rather, yes. The non-Christians are just sinners waiting to be cleansed. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/46 "2004-11-05T05:05:56Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > If you refer to my politics, I defy you to demonstrate what about my politics )and those of at least 55 million other Americans) is so extreme? Please don’t say that. I voted for Kerry, so I’m one of those 55 million other Americans you’re talking about, and I also think you’re politically pretty extreme. So, please don’t use my vote to justify your political opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Muad\_Dib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/35a633/32.png) [@Muad\_Dib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muad_Dib)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/47 "2004-11-05T05:11:35Z")
I love this. So long as the left continues to blame everyone and everything but themselves they will not change and the Republicans will gain the 60 seats we need in the Senate to start inacting some **real** change. _Laughs maniacly_ ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/48 "2004-11-05T05:12:47Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > Please don’t say that. I voted for Kerry, so I’m one of those 55 million other Americans you’re talking about, and I also think you’re politically pretty extreme. So, please don’t use my vote to justify your political opinions. Cool. I’ll ask you because I’m just fascinated: What about my POLITICS is so extreme, hmm? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/49 "2004-11-05T05:14:16Z")
> [@Bill H.](#): > > **Stoid** wrote > > Don’t kid yourself into thinking that 55 million people had the extreme (yes, I said “extreme”) hatred for Mr. Bush and his administration that you do. Ummm…don’t kid YOURself that how I feel about Bush defines my politics. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/50 "2004-11-05T05:16:17Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > Cite? yourself, dearie. Let’s spare the hamsters, and all. Unless you’ve changed your tune, somehow, and now agree that Bush was elected, quite properly, in 2000? Changing your tune…and mere pixels later! Been paying too much attention to Cheney telling Edwards he never met him, I guess. Go back and read again what you accused me of, 'k? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/51 "2004-11-05T05:16:25Z")
Yeah, but here’s the thing, **Bill**. Couple years back, he was running about 80%. Now he’s, what, 47-48%. What do you think is going to make that better? Splendid news of painless victory in Iraq? A suddenly rosy enonomy? See any evidence to support such optimism? I don’t rightly know. I remember when LBJ became so unpopular that he decided not to run, but this is different, GeeDubya won’t be running again. When I pose the question “Can a very unpopular President be effective?”, I’m not intending to advance an opinion, I really don’t know. I suspect not, because the Congress remains sensitive to elections. If fealty to Bush becomes a political albatross, I suspect congresscritters to display typical rock-solid loyalty, like rodents in an untenable nautical situation. But that conjecture is still shy of a decided opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/52 "2004-11-05T05:18:13Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Cool. I’ll ask you because I’m just fascinated: > > What about my POLITICS is so extreme, hmm? Good lordy. Does he have to give a written answer, or can he just laugh incessantly as a response? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/53 "2004-11-05T05:21:09Z")
Well, if its the best he can do, we’ll just try to be understanding. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/54 "2004-11-05T05:22:55Z")
> [@Waverly](#): > > Good lordy. Does he have to give a written answer, or can he just laugh incessantly as a response? the bobbing and weaving here is amazing. Isn’t there ANYONE here, given this apparently pervasive belief, that can cite something about my political views and ideals, that most people would call “extreme”? Anyone at all? You there, in the back? No? Gee…must be more bullshit, then. That Bushlike tendency to believe that if you just say something enough, and act like its true, it will just become true, kinda like Dorothy’s shoes. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/55 "2004-11-05T05:31:21Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Changing your tune…and mere pixels later! > > Been paying too much attention to Cheney telling Edwards he never met him, I guess. > > Go back and read again what you accused me of, 'k? Blah, Blah, Blah, as usual. Please refresh everyone’s memory. What exactly was your position regarding Gore’s popular vote count in 2000? IIRC, your position was that he should have been President, based on that factor. Am I wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/56 "2004-11-05T05:35:46Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > Blah, Blah, Blah, as usual. > > Please refresh everyone’s memory. What exactly was your position regarding Gore’s popular vote count in 2000? IIRC, your position was that he should have been President, based on that factor. Am I wrong? Why are you suddenly asking? I thought you knew for sure what my position was? Is this your admission that you were speaking directly from your sphincter? ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/57 "2004-11-05T05:39:29Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > the bobbing and weaving here is amazing. I haven’t bobbed or weaved. In fact, I probably share more of your views than I disagree with. What I find… have always found… extremely irritating is your tendency to demonize the opposition because they don’t share your views. It’s worst of all partisan practices, no matter which side it comes from. It’s friggin’ childish, and it detracts from any reasonable points being made. I can’t be arsed to sort through your handiwork for examples, so I’ll just point to the very minor example within this thread: You suggest that republicans are simpletons that don’t know they are being manipulated, while you, with typically superior liberal insight, know better. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/58 "2004-11-05T05:52:45Z")
> [@Waverly](#): > > I haven’t bobbed or weaved. In fact, I probably share more of your views than I disagree with. What I find… have always found… extremely irritating is your tendency to demonize the opposition because they don’t share your views. It’s worst of all partisan practices, no matter which side it comes from. It’s friggin’ childish, and it detracts from any reasonable points being made. Your opinion, you’re entitled to it, and I’m not going to try and argue you out of it. > [@](#): > > I can’t be arsed to sort through your handiwork for examples, so I’ll just point to the very minor example within this thread: You suggest that republicans are simpletons that don’t know they are being manipulated, while you, with typically superior liberal insight, know better. That’s an example of your opinion about your paragraph one complaint, which is not the assertion we started with, which is that my politics are extreme. Just finding ME extreme doesn’t prove that my politics, or those of the other 55 million people who voted the way I did, are extreme. And incidentally, I did not suggest that Republicans are simpletons at all, in fact, I was pretty clear that this is not at all the case (see my opening paragraph) What I did suggest is that simpletons tend to vote Republican, precisely because they are so very easy to manipulate. Which makes sense, given that Republicans in general, Karl Rove in particular, are vastly more skilled at manipulation than Democrats are. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/59 "2004-11-05T05:52:57Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Why are you suddenly asking? I thought you knew for sure what my position was? Is this your admission that you were speaking directly from your sphincter? Stoid, your position, such as it is, :rolleyes: has been obvious from the day you first posted. Witness this from the glurge thread you posted: > [@](#): > > Choose love, Choose love, Choose love. Everything else is an illusion. Love is all that is real" You’re a silly little git, without the ounce of brains one requires to breath. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089/60 "2004-11-05T05:59:11Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Actually, your thread(s) and the threads of the other weeping losers pretty much are proof that you guys are wickedly out of touch with the mainstream. If losing the Presidency, the Senate, and the House doesn’t get that through your thick skulls, then we have a filibuster-proof Senate in 2006, and President Jeb Bush in 2008. Ain’t gonna fucking happen. Not while I draw breath. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repub-ideas-did-not-win-lies-did/273089.md?page=4)