# Republican National Convention - A Meltdown in Progress? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 20, 2012, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084 "2012-08-20T19:33:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/61 "2012-08-21T16:18:38Z")
> [@nogravity](#): > > That’s correct. But tropical storms, especially slow moving ones can really drop the rain and seeing how we’re at or close to saturation level now, it could really be a big mess. > > Right now there’s a depression heading towards the Lesser Antilles which should be TS Isaac by later on today. The spaghetti models are all over the place with this one. The two most reliable forecast models show the storm on track for Western Florida. The GFS has it hitting Cuba on Sunday morning as a large Cat 2, passing over the Keys and moving up West-Central Florida, Right over Tampa (probably as a tropical storm). The ECMWF (European Model) has it moving north just west of the Florida coast with hurricane force winds hitting Tampa, and making landfall as a major hurricane just south of Tallahassee on Friday 8/31. [http://www.ecmwf.int/products/forecasts/d/charts/medium/deterministic/msl\_uv850\_z500!Wind%20850%20and%20mslp!216!North%20America!pop!od!oper!public\_plots!2012082100!!/](http://www.ecmwf.int/products/forecasts/d/charts/medium/deterministic/msl_uv850_z500!Wind%20850%20and%20mslp!216!North%20America!pop!od!oper!public_plots!2012082100!!/) Of course, these forecasts are so far out that landfall predictions are all but meaningless. On the other hand, these models haven’t varied at all the last three days. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/62 "2012-08-21T16:31:39Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZCovd42SRw&feature=player\_embedded](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZCovd42SRw&feature=player_embedded) Sorry, my question wasn’t clear. What I meant was a cite that Romeny has repudiated the Human Life Amendment, not endorsed it. Saying that a raped woman should be allowed an abortion is not a repudiation of the HLA, even if the two are irreconcilable with each other. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/63 "2012-08-21T16:38:36Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > This flap du jour isn’t going to affect the convention. Akin has offered a real apology (not just a “I’m sorry if people were offended” apology), and we’ll move on to the next flap-- which might come from either the GOP or the Dems. Was that a legitimate apology or was it forcible? ---
**Author:** ![nogravity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@nogravity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nogravity)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/64 "2012-08-21T16:45:00Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > The two most reliable forecast models show the storm on track for Western Florida… > > Of course, these forecasts are so far out that landfall predictions are all but meaningless. On the other hand, these models haven’t varied at all the last three days. Supposedly the RNC, FBI and local law enforcement have a hurricane plan put together but they haven’t released the details. I’m guessing it’s going to be a Cat-2 clusterfuck with the plan consisting of stop, drop and roll, duck and cover and stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye type of solutions. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/65 "2012-08-21T16:51:49Z")
> [@nogravity](#): > > Supposedly the RNC, FBI and local law enforcement have a hurricane plan put together but they haven’t released the details. I’m guessing it’s going to be a Cat-2 clusterfuck with the plan consisting of stop, drop and roll, duck and cover and stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye type of solutions. Oh, no. The plan will be to race in with every Federal and state emergency service assistance within a thousand miles to save their precious Republican snowflakes. Those would of course be the very same services they’re voting to defund for the rest of us schlubs. ---
**Author:** ![nogravity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@nogravity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nogravity)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/66 "2012-08-21T17:03:30Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Oh, no. The plan will be to race in with every Federal and state emergency service assistance within a thousand miles to save their precious Republican snowflakes. Those would of course be the very same services they’re voting to defund for the rest of us schlubs. Before I moved down here I would have thought that the case but after living here 12 years I would say only Romney, Ryan and perhaps Christie will get airlifted out and the rest, well it sucks to be you. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/67 "2012-08-21T17:13:18Z")
In the unlikely event that water floods the arena, Chris Christie may be used as a floatation device. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/68 "2012-08-21T17:22:24Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > In the unlikely event that water floods the arena, Chris Christie may be used as a floatation device. The ad hominem attacks don’t help the cause. Unless you’re saying he floats because he’s full of hot air. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/69 "2012-08-21T17:26:47Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > The ad hominem attacks don’t help the cause. Unless you’re saying he floats because he’s full of hot air. Oh come on, a little levity never hurt anything. If we had a prominent obese Democrat I’d make the same joke. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/70 "2012-08-21T17:29:20Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Was that a legitimate apology or was it forcible? “I’m sorry! [_slap_ _kick_] I said I’m **sorry,** bitch! [_cuff_] Accept my apology! [_smack_ _pow_] Accept it! You know you want it!” ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/71 "2012-08-21T17:48:32Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > And why is it all right whereas the opposite (Republicans doing similar) is not? I think you misread something. The contention is that Romney doesn’t want the debate to be about social issues (and the Democrats do), not that Republicans aren’t allowed to bring them up. ---
**Author:** ![babygoat666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2acd7d/32.png) [@babygoat666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/babygoat666)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/72 "2012-08-21T17:54:01Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > The primaries in most of those states isn’t democratic, or supposed to be democratic. The primary is just a “preference poll”, the actual decision is made at caucus meetings and county and state party conventions. > > The process being set up that way long predates Ron Paul. I understand that. The poster I was replying to was equated challenging RP’s silly delegate shenanigans with stifling democracy, and I was really hoping to hear more about that. ---
**Author:** ![Enkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/df705f/32.png) [@Enkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enkel)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/73 "2012-08-21T19:07:13Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by nogravity View Post > > Besides the convention, Christine ‘I am not a Witch’ O’Donnell, is going to be headlining a Troublemakers Fest with the Tea Party. > > > > It only cost $1200 for the full 5 day program. > > Ammunition not included. Brooms will be checked at the door. ---
**Author:** ![Enkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/df705f/32.png) [@Enkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enkel)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/74 "2012-08-21T19:18:26Z")
Okay, let’s say that the forecasts predict a nearly direct hit, doe anyone think fearless leader Romney would actually not show up to his own convention? As for airlifts, I’m sure Romney will have three types of transportation at the ready to haul his butt out of there if there is any risk to him or his family. It isn’t like they’re suddenly going to stick around and help the common man or anything. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/75 "2012-08-21T20:34:42Z")
> [@babygoat666](#): > > I understand that. The poster I was replying to was equated challenging RP’s silly delegate shenanigans with stifling democracy, and I was really hoping to hear more about that. So in your mind replacing delegates elected by the people with delegates not elected by anyone is a legitimate function of democracy? Tell us more about your peculiar theories of government. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/76 "2012-08-21T20:46:00Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > So in your mind replacing delegates elected by the people with delegates not elected by anyone is a legitimate function of democracy? Tell us more about your peculiar theories of government. A political party is not a government. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/77 "2012-08-21T20:54:30Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > According to that article, a majority of Nevada delegates are bound to vote for Romney on the first ballot. > > Again, I don’t think Paul has a majority in the requisite five states. He has Iowa, Maine and Minnesota and maybe LA. Remember that the delegates are not bound. It’s not likely that these delegates would jeopardize the party’s chances on the basis of an obscure rule. So in summary, Iowa and MN are solidly for Paul. ME and LA could be solidly Paul if they’re seated. Massachusetts and Nevada could be for Paul if they break tradition. Not a likely scenario, but still possible. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/78 "2012-08-21T20:57:00Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > A political party is not a government. I know you wouldn’t waste your time, but for the life of me I have no idea where you’re going with this, bud. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/79 "2012-08-21T20:58:33Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Remember that the delegates are not bound. It’s not likely that these delegates would jeopardize the party’s chances on the basis of an obscure rule. > > So in summary, Iowa and MN are solidly for Paul. ME and LA could be solidly Paul if they’re seated. Massachusetts and Nevada could be for Paul if they break tradition. Not a likely scenario, but still possible. Ok, but so what? Are you hoping for chaos and open conflict at the convention? If it happens, it will only increase Obama’s chances of winning. If that’s what you want, I’m with you 100%. ---
**Author:** ![babygoat666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2acd7d/32.png) [@babygoat666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/babygoat666)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084/80 "2012-08-21T22:59:14Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > So in your mind replacing delegates elected by the people with delegates not elected by anyone is a legitimate function of democracy? Tell us more about your peculiar theories of government. I’m not sure where you’re getting that from what I wrote. I wanted to know how you thought that RP winning all these delegates where he got a miniscule percentage of the vote in the primary/caucus is democratic. It’s the exact opposite. No one but a few thousand people on the internet want Ron Paul to be president. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-national-convention-a-meltdown-in-progress/632084.md?page=5)