# Republican voter intimidation tactics
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [September 22, 2004, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496 "2004-09-22T15:22:47Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/1 "2004-09-22T15:22:47Z")
What about supporting democracy in our own country?
From Salon ([http://www.salon.com](http://www.salon.com)) –
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> In the 1981 New Jersey gubernatorial election, the RNC and its affiliates devised a program that they claimed was aimed at reducing voter fraud. The party hired police officers to patrol minority neighborhoods in Passaic County and put up signs warning that the election was being monitored “by the Ballot Security Task Force.” The plan was obviously meant to intimidate voters rather than secure the polls. When Democrats filed a civil rights lawsuit against the Republicans over the tactics, the national GOP and the New Jersey Republicans were forced to sign a consent decree promising to refrain from the sorts of suppression activities they employed in the 1981 race.
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> In 1986 the party hired an outside company to conduct another ballot-security initiative, this one aimed at challenging the voting eligibility of 31,000 voters in Louisiana, the vast majority of whom were black. According to a 2002 study of voter-intimidation practices that Swirsky wrote for the Temple Political & Civil Rights Law Review, when Democrats again sued over the ballot-security initiative, they unearthed a Republican planning document that stated that the Louisiana program “could keep the African-American vote down considerably.”
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> In 1987, because of that evidence, the RNC was once again forced to enter into an agreement with Democrats, this one requiring the federal courts to preapprove all of the Republicans’ ballot-security programs.
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> In the 1990 Senate contest between Jesse Helms and Harvey Gannt in North Carolina, the state Republican Party mailed out “voter registration bulletins” to 150,000 homes in minority precincts, warning that voters would need to bring a raft of personal information to the polls on Election Day, and adding, falsely, that a voter “must have lived in [a] precinct for at least the previous 30 days” to be eligible to vote there. The mailings also warned of penalties for providing inaccurate information to elections officials. The Justice Department later brought a legal challenge against the state party over the mailings and Republicans agreed, once again, to curtail their efforts to suppress minority-voter turnout.
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> In August, the People for the American Way Foundation and the NAACP released a report detailing the past two decades’ sorry history of voter-intimidation efforts. The report reads like a chronicle of the Jim Crow South, except the dates are in the 1980s and 1990s, and the locations are not limited to points below the Mason-Dixon line.
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> In 1988 in Hidalgo County, Texas, the Republican Party ran ads targeted at Latino voters. They warned of prison sentences for non-U.S. citizens who go to the polls, adding that officials “will be watching.” In South Dakota in 2002, the state attorney general devised an anti-voting-fraud plan that involved sending law-enforcement officials to question 2,000 newly registered Native American voters. There was no similar probe, the report notes, “to investigate new registrants in counties without significant Native American populations, despite the fact that those counties contained most of the new registrations in the state.”
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> In Dillon County, S.C., in 1998, Son Kinon, a Republican state official, mailed out 3,000 brochures to black voters warning, “You have always been my friend, so don’t chance GOING TO JAIL on Election Day! … SLED [South Carolina Law Enforcement Division] agents, FBI agents, people from the Justice Department and undercover agents will be in Dillon County working this election. People who you think are your friends, and even your neighbors, could be the very ones that turn you in. THIS ELECTION IS NOT WORTH GOING TO JAIL!!!”
The report by People for the American Way is here – [http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oId=16368](http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oId=16368)
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### Author:  [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/2 "2004-09-22T15:50:36Z")
Methinks you forgot to state your premise for debate. Here, I’ll suggest a few possible positions for you. Which of these is closest to what you wanted to say:
1. The Republican party should be banned from running candidates for office due to these scattered incidents of voter intimidation
2. Elections in which examples of such intimidation have been observed should automatically be awarded to the opposing candidate
3. Some additional law or laws should be enacted to prevent these sorts of shenanigans (although it seems to me that such a law may be difficult to word in such a way that it would not inhibit the right to political advertising)
4. These are scattered incidents, and anyway, I bet we could find similar examples of attempted manipulation of voters by local Democratic organizations
5. Republican (and Democratic) voters who learn of such tactics by their local organizations should make it known that they do not endorse such tactics, by how they wield their vote and also by making it clear to party staff that they expect them to behave ethically.
If none of these fit, feel free to post what you really intended to say. Personally, I think (5) is the most sensible course of those listed above, even if it is the least likely scenario.
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### Author:  [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/3 "2004-09-22T16:03:50Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#):
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> Methinks you forgot to state your premise for debate. Here, I’ll suggest a few possible positions for you. Which of these is closest to what you wanted to say:
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> 1. The Republican party should be banned from running candidates for office due to these scattered incidents of voter intimidation
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> 2. Elections in which examples of such intimidation have been observed should automatically be awarded to the opposing candidate
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> 3. Some additional law or laws should be enacted to prevent these sorts of shenanigans (although it seems to me that such a law may be difficult to word in such a way that it would not inhibit the right to political advertising)
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> 4. These are scattered incidents, and anyway, I bet we could find similar examples of attempted manipulation of voters by local Democratic organizations
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> 5. Republican (and Democratic) voters who learn of such tactics by their local organizations should make it known that they do not endorse such tactics, by how they wield their vote and also by making it clear to party staff that they expect them to behave ethically.
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> If none of these fit, feel free to post what you really intended to say. Personally, I think (5) is the most sensible course of those listed above, even if it is the least likely scenario.
How about, “People and/or organizations who indulge in such tactics should be labelled traitors to democracy, tried and sentenced to lengthy jail terms. If no laws provide for such terms, write them. Democracy isn’t something to be fooled around with in this way.”
Of course, getting a Supreme Court whose members are demosntrably traitors to democracy (wrt the 2000 election) may be difficult.
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### Author:  [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/4 "2004-09-22T16:10:25Z")
Actually, since it’s the Republican party organization itself, along with Republican officeholders (such as Katherine Harris) that organizes these campaigns, your choice of No. 5 seems awfully Pollyannish.
I don’t think it would be difficult to word such a law. I propose the following provisions –
– it’s a crime for political operatives to engage in “anti-voter fraud” campaigns independent of an official investigation by law enforcement agencies of specific allegations of such fraud
– it’s a crime to distribute information that mischaracterizes voting requirements (such as identification)
– it’s a crime to ask questions of people waiting to vote regarding their right to vote or any other question implying that they are breaking the law, or to engage in activities that would tend to intimidate those who are going to vote
– it’s a crime to take on the guise of law enforcement officials while conducting campaign activities.
Tack on additional penalties if it is shown that such activities were targeting a minority group.
Furthermore, if such activities are shown to have taken place, I would provide for a revote in the relevant precincts.
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### Author:  [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/5 "2004-09-22T16:14:25Z")
> [@acsenray](#):
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> Actually, since it’s the Republican party organization itself, along with Republican officeholders (such as Katherine Harris) that organizes these campaigns, your choice of No. 5 seems awfully Pollyannish.
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> I don’t think it would be difficult to word such a law. I propose the following provisions –
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> – it’s a crime for political operatives to engage in “anti-voter fraud” campaigns independent of an official investigation by law enforcement agencies of specific allegations of such fraud
> – it’s a crime to distribute information that mischaracterizes voting requirements (such as identification)
> – it’s a crime to ask questions of people waiting to vote regarding their right to vote or any other question implying that they are breaking the law, or to engage in activities that would tend to intimidate those who are going to vote
> – it’s a crime to take on the guise of law enforcement officials while conducting campaign activities.
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> Tack on additional penalties if it is shown that such activities were targeting a minority group.
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> Furthermore, if such activities are shown to have taken place, I would provide for a revote in the relevant precincts.
Just make sure that the laws provide for jail terms of one year or more, not fines. Richard Mellon Scaife and his ilk will undoubtedly be happy to bail any Repub skunk that gets caught stinking up the woodpile of democracy, and pay any fines incurred as well. To make the laws sufficiently frightening and nasty, they gotta have teeth.
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### Author:  [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/6 "2004-09-22T16:15:39Z")
Two questions:
1. Is there any value in attempting to ensure that only citizens may vote?
2. If yes, what sort of measures might be applied to this task?
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### Author:  [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/7 "2004-09-22T16:23:40Z")
> [@Bricker](#):
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> Two questions:
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> 1. Is there any value in attempting to ensure that only citizens may vote?
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> 2. If yes, what sort of measures might be applied to this task?
Two answers:
1. Yes
2. The sort of measures currently undertaken by duly authorized **legal** authorities on a regular basis. Any party that feels that the only way they can win is to prevent voter turnout doesn’t deserve to exist, let alone win. BTW, I mean that in a bipartisan sense, I don’t give a damn who is doing it.
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### Author:  [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/8 "2004-09-22T16:24:22Z")
The registration system is already in place to ensure that only those who are eligible may vote. If there is suspicion of voter fraud, law enforcement officials are empowered to investigate.
What is completely unacceptable is vigilante enforcement of voting laws, just as with any other law. If an individual has reason to suspect voting fraud in a particular case, then he or she may report such suspicions to the authorities. There is no justification for going out on one’s own to intimidate whole neighborhoods or groups of voters or single out voters based on their appearance and intimidate them.
But, please, this concern is disingenuous anyway. You can’t seriously argue that such tactics are reasonably calculated to discourage actual voter fraud. It’s about political intimidation through brown-shirt tactics, pure and simple. And this is one case in which I don’t think it’s hyperbole to use that analogy. We’re talking about the integrity of our democracy here.
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### Author:  [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/9 "2004-09-22T16:24:40Z")
Not just that. Is there any value in ensuring that only eligible voters vote?
Right now, people can vote in numerous jurisdictions, without fear of being caught. Felons, in states that remove voting privileges from convicted criminals, often vote anyway.
I’d gladly condemn attempts at voter intimidation, where they occur. But I’d like to see a little outcry against voter fraud, as well.
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### Author:  [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/10 "2004-09-22T16:26:07Z")
> [@](#):
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> Actually, since it’s the Republican party organization itself, along with Republican officeholders (such as Katherine Harris) that organizes these campaigns, your choice of No. 5 seems awfully Pollyannish.
Which I as much as admitted in my post. What can I say; given the enormous number of existing laws in this country, I prefer to see a fairly high bar for still more of them.
Really, though the point was to draw you out a bit more as to why you posted all this to begin with. So, your point is basically #3, that new laws should be enacted to prevent these sorts of shenanigans. Worded as you have in your second post, I don’t have any particular problem with that.
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### Author:  [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/11 "2004-09-22T16:29:24Z")
> [@](#):
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> But I’d like to see a little outcry against voter fraud, as well.
Do you have any evidence that there is widespread voter fraud occurring that is being ignored by law enforcement authorities? If there’s no outcry, then maybe that’s because there’s no actual problem.
As to the side issue of felons – I believe it should be unconstitutional to permanently take away any citizen’s right to vote.
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### Author:  [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/12 "2004-09-22T16:32:48Z")
> [@Bricker](#):
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> Two questions:
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> 1. Is there any value in attempting to ensure that only citizens may vote?
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> 2. If yes, what sort of measures might be applied to this task?
1- Of course
2- Even handed application of the rules. What is abhorrent is the way that only people in certain demographics are scrutinized. Selective scrutiny of prospective voters is a transparent way to intimidate voters and influence the outcome of the election. The idea isn’t to find the 50 cases of voter fraud in an area of 10,000 voters. It’s to intimidate as many of the other 10,000 as possible from voting.
I’d like to see one instance of similar voter indimidation tactics used in an affluent area. I don’t think you’ll find one, because the affluent white voter won’t put up with it. Neither should anyone else.
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### Author:  [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/13 "2004-09-22T16:38:45Z")
> [@acsenray](#):
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> Do you have any evidence that there is widespread voter fraud occurring that is being ignored by law enforcement authorities? If there’s no outcry, then maybe that’s because there’s no actual problem.
[Here you go.](http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/224449p-192807c.html)
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### Author:  [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/14 "2004-09-22T16:45:50Z")
Well, that is something to be concerned about.
Interesting, though, that the people subject to Republican “anti-voting fraud” tactics are not likely to be able to maintain residences in New York and Florida.
But maybe it’s not worth the trouble. As our president said, rich people can afford accountants (and lawyers too, maybe), so it’s futile to try to enforce the law against them.
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### Author:  [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/15 "2004-09-22T16:52:36Z")
I don’t like the attempt to portray “challengers” as a negative aspect to the voting process. Here in Indiana, we have these challengers - each Republican challenger is required to have a Democratic counterpart (and vice versa) if available. I don’t see how adding an additional element of safeguarding against voter fraud is a bad thing.
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### Author:  [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/16 "2004-09-22T16:55:16Z")
Frankly, I see it as nothing but negative. I for one would be very unhappy having to answer anyone’s questions, particularly a pair of political flunkies when I go to vote. It’s fundamentally creepy.
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### Author:  [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/17 "2004-09-22T17:57:53Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#):
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> [Here you go.](http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/224449p-192807c.html)
This brings up an interesting puzzle. Let’s say I own a home in NY and one in Fla. I divide my time between the two homes. I pay taxes in both states, I expect to receive the benefit of those taxes in both states.
Should I be given the opportunity to vote in both locales, at least for the local, county and state governments?
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/18 "2004-09-22T17:59:11Z")
> [@Munch](#):
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> I don’t like the attempt to portray “challengers” as a negative aspect to the voting process. Here in Indiana, we have these challengers - each Republican challenger is required to have a Democratic counterpart (and vice versa) if available. I don’t see how adding an additional element of safeguarding against voter fraud is a bad thing.
How does that work? Are there two challengers stationed at every precinct to question every voter who comes in the door? And how does that effect voter turnout?
In another thread **clairobscur** mentioned that in France, each political party (there are several) has a representative at each polling station on election day – but I got the impression they’re there to insure an honest vote count, not to check on the bonafides of would-be voters.
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### Author:  [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/19 "2004-09-22T18:06:23Z")
> [@Munch](#):
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> I don’t like the attempt to portray “challengers” as a negative aspect to the voting process. Here in Indiana, we have these challengers - each Republican challenger is required to have a Democratic counterpart (and vice versa) if available. I don’t see how adding an additional element of safeguarding against voter fraud is a bad thing.
Two points I would like to make.
1. Nowhere in our constitution are the Republican or Democratic party given specific power or roles in our government. We have evolved to a point that most people would probably have a hard time with that concept but it is the case. I don’t like the idea that those 2 dominant parties have any hand in my voting process. They shouldn’t
2. “We the people” are the bosses. When we vote we are essentially hiring someone to do a job. My act of voting is the act of making my hiring decision. The fact that I am the boss in this transaction is enshrined in the constitution. I don’t accept that these 2 dominant parties feel they have the power to co-opt that right.
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### Author:  [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2004, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republican-voter-intimidation-tactics/265496/20 "2004-09-22T18:07:26Z")
I agree that voter intimidation is terrible.
I also think that actively pursuing every possible avenue to keep a candidate off the ballot in the first place is often questionable – why bother intimidating the voter if you simply remove his choice at the ballot?
Right?
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