# Republicans aim for a lame-duck power grab in Wisconsin **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 2, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459 "2018-12-02T20:12:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/1 "2018-12-02T20:12:02Z")
> **[GOP seeks to limit Wisconsin early voting, strip powers from Tony Evers and...](https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/30/lawmakers-consider-changes-early-voting-transportation-funding-2020-presidential-primary/2162684002/)** > > Three weeks after Democrats swept statewide races boosted by record early voting and high turnout, Republicans are considering measures to prevent that from happening again. The republican party in Wisconsin lost the governorship but maintained the state senate and house. So, much like in North Carolina, we’re seeing shenanigans: The sweeping plan — to be taken up Tuesday — would remove Gov.-elect Tony Evers’ power to approve major actions by Attorney General-elect Josh Kaul and give that authority to Republican lawmakers. That could mean the campaign promise made by Evers and Kaul to immediately withdraw Wisconsin from a federal lawsuit to overturn the Affordable Care Act would likely be blocked. This is a pretty long list. Perhaps the most bizarre item on the list involves a conservative state supreme court justice who is up for re-election. The state congress intends to shift the primary so that it isn’t on the same day as his election. No points for guessing why they want to that - it’s the turnout. Higher turnout almost always leads to higher democratic wins, so making people come out _again_ for _another_ vote makes it very likely to lower turnout. It’s also liable to cause a massive clusterfuck, as this would lead to the state having to run three statewide elections in three months, and _good luck with that_ ([this article](https://www.channel3000.com/news/politics/local-clerk-calls-possible-proposal-to-move-2020-presidential-primary-date-extremely-unwise-/876209608) has more details). 60/72 district clerks came out against the move; none have put forward a stance in favor. All in all, though, what we’re looking at is a slate of bills rushed out in a weekend to strip powers from the governor and the AG (where republicans lost their reelection bids) to the state legislature (where republicans remain in power). Legal? Maybe. A good look for democracy? Ha ha, fuck no. But yeah, this is starting to become a pattern - if republicans lose one branch of government, their immediate response seems to be to do whatever they can to hamstring that branch. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think this is how the separation of powers is supposed to work. :mad: It is a _blatant_ power grab. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/2 "2018-12-02T22:41:04Z")
Is anything they are attempting illegal or something the courts may block? If not, then it’s just politics. I won’t hide my bias. Anything that prevents Evers from reversing the changes we’ve made over the past 8 years has my support. He has no mandate anyway. The election was a squeaker and Republicans even made gains in the legislature. In the face of the opposing party overwhelmingly controlling both sides of the state house I can’t imagine what, if anything, he thinks he’s going to get done in the first place. Even without the hamstringing he is destin for failure. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2018, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/3 "2018-12-02T23:13:21Z")
Inarguably this Wisconsin GOP effort, like the one in North Carolina two years ago, is a plan intended to subvert the expressed will of voters. As Eric Holder said on Twitter: > [@](#): > > The people spoke in November. Republicans refuse to hear and seek to hold on to power-by any means. This is not good for our democracy. Time for the people in Michigan, North Carolina and Wisconsin to be heard-again. Contact these legislators/let them know you oppose this action. > > > Ari Berman @AriBerman And: > [@](#): > > Republicans are taking aim at voting rights again as well. The bill would limit early voting to two weeks ahead of an election, rather than six weeks in some parts of the state currently. (This provision would likely face pushback, since a federal court in 2016 blocked a similar voter law because it discriminated against racial minorities.) > **[Wisconsin's GOP aims to strip power from the incoming Democratic governor](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/12/wisconsin-gop-scott-walker-tony-evers/)** > > Republican lawmakers will try to do it this week. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2018, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/4 "2018-12-02T23:25:47Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Is anything they are attempting illegal or something the courts may block? > > If not, then it’s just politics. > > I won’t hide my bias. Anything that prevents Evers from reversing the changes we’ve made over the past 8 years has my support. He has no mandate anyway. The election was a squeaker and Republicans even made gains in the legislature. In the face of the opposing party overwhelmingly controlling both sides of the state house I can’t imagine what, if anything, he thinks he’s going to get done in the first place. Even without the hamstringing he is destin for failure. Attitudes like this are the problem. We have a party that uses underhanded measures to thwart the vote of the people and its supporters are all like “well, as long as my team does it, yippee!” What you consider to be progress under Walker are considered by others to be mistakes to be corrected. Evers has as big a mandate as Walker has had, he got the most votes. I would not be happy if Democrats did similar things and I would call them out for being sore losers if they did. We have one party that has no respect for the rule of law. Similar crookedness is going on in Michigan, where sore loser Republicans are trying in the lame duck session to undercut the powers of the Secretary of State and Attorney General, as Democrats won both of these offices as well as the governor’s seat. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/5 "2018-12-03T01:40:37Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Similar crookedness is going on in Michigan Is it illegal? If it isn’t it isn’t “cooked”. Politics is a cut throat business. It’s not pretty or nice. I can see why you don’t like what they’re trying to do. IMHO Republicans are generally the ones who don’t know how to use power. Which is why when they have it they tend to drop the ball and not get things done. As long as my Assembly Rep and State Senator are members of the majority I expect them to represent me. Tony Evers does not represent my interests nor the interests of the people of the district I live in. Technically, as Attorney General Josh Kaul will be my boss. Can’t say I’m happy about that but the last two AG’s (both Republicans) admittedly did a couple of dopey things. It was only a matter of time before a Democrat got in. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/6 "2018-12-03T01:46:54Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Is it illegal? If it isn’t it isn’t “cooked”. Is that your moral compass? “Is it illegal?” :dubious: > [@pkbites](#): > > As long as my Assembly Rep and State Senator are members of the majority I expect them to represent me. That sentence shouldn’t end with the feeling of “at all costs” IMO and yet yours does. The amount of “attitude” in your whole post is off the charts. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/7 "2018-12-03T01:51:42Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Is anything they are attempting illegal or something the courts may block? > > If not, then it’s just politics. So presumably you have multiple examples of Democrats doing the same thing when they lost a governorship? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/8 "2018-12-03T02:40:27Z")
Not on the same scale, but there was the Massachusetts legislature changing the rules on how replacement senators were chosen, after Ted Kennedy’s death. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/9 "2018-12-03T03:33:17Z")
Apparently the total vote for assembly seats went 53 - 45 (+8) to the Democrats. A solid majority. However, because of the careful drawing of district lines Republicans have 63 - 36 edge in assembly seats. That’s a sickening perversion of democracy even if it doesn’t break any laws. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/10 "2018-12-03T04:38:29Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > So presumably you have multiple examples of Democrats doing the same thing when they lost a governorship? I do remember them running and hiding in another state to block legislation Governor Walker was trying to pass. Doesn’t get much sleazier or cowardice than that. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/11 "2018-12-03T04:53:38Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > I do remember them running and hiding in another state to block legislation Governor Walker was trying to pass. Doesn’t get much sleazier or cowardice than that. I thought your standard was if it’s not illegal it’s just politics. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/12 "2018-12-03T04:55:02Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > I thought your standard was if it’s not illegal it’s just politics. For his side. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/13 "2018-12-03T04:59:45Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > I won’t hide my bias. Anything that prevents Evers from reversing the changes we’ve made over the past 8 years has my support. He has no mandate anyway. The election was a squeaker and Republicans even made gains in the legislature. Sure, because the Wisconsin legislature was preposterously gerrymanded. Evers sure got a lot more of the vote than the legislature Republicans did. Once you put partisan advantage over democracy, it’s time to admit you do not believe in democracy. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/14 "2018-12-03T05:25:57Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > I thought your standard was if it’s not illegal it’s just politics. My point was that both sides will take extreme measures to forward or protect their agenda. But passing restrictions in the legislature on an incoming Governor is nowhere in the same league as hiding out in a dive motel room across the border. As President Obama said, elections have consequences. The Republicans were given control of both chambers of the state house. I am confident that when Democrats win the majority back they will return many favors. I’d be disappointed if they didn’t. Am looking forward to the show in DC that begins in January. Should be a helluva ride! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/15 "2018-12-03T05:32:07Z")
David Frum, a neo-conservative true believer, has said something similar as **RickJay** : > [@David Frum in the Atlantic](#): > > If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/16 "2018-12-03T05:35:22Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > But passing restrictions in the legislature on an incoming Governor is nowhere in the same league as hiding out in a dive motel room across the border. Correct, these are not in the same league. One delayed a vote on a bill for a couple weeks. The other one, combined with one of the most extreme state legislature gerrymanders in the country, will subvert the will of the voters for years to come. Not even in the same league. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/17 "2018-12-03T06:05:11Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > My point was that both sides will take extreme measures to forward or protect their agenda. > [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > So presumably you have multiple examples of Democrats doing the same thing when they lost a governorship? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/18 "2018-12-03T06:16:16Z")
The important thing to remember is that this is _not_ politics as usual, regardless of who may try to claim otherwise. This is an exclusively republican pattern of post-election power grabs against the will of the people. If you support it as a matter of partisan politics, well, good on you for being honest about your horribly antidemocratic beliefs. If you think it is “business as usual”, you are simply empirically wrong. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/19 "2018-12-03T06:20:36Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > I thought your standard was if it’s not illegal it’s just politics. > [@running\_coach](#): > > For his side. > [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Correct, these are not in the same league. One delayed a vote on a bill for a couple weeks. The other one, combined with one of the most extreme state legislature gerrymanders in the country, will subvert the will of the voters for years to come. > > Not even in the same league. All of these bear repeating ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/20 "2018-12-03T06:49:33Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Correct, these are not in the same league. One delayed a vote on a bill for a couple weeks. The other one, combined with one of the most extreme state legislature gerrymanders in the country, will subvert the will of the voters for years to come. > > Not even in the same league. Also, while dodging a vote by skipping the state is emphatically Not A Good Look™, it’s worth mentioning that the vote in question was a congressional redistricting which handed several additional seats to the republican party, that the vote did happen (if somewhat delayed), and that this was _15 years ago_. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459.md?page=2)