# Republicans aim for a lame-duck power grab in Wisconsin **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 2, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459 "2018-12-02T20:12:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/161 "2018-12-08T21:21:04Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > And as I said before, paybacks are a bitch. Whether it’s 2 years, 4, or more, it’ll be interesting to see what happens. Here’s to hoping they fuck over the police union as hard as the teachers. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/162 "2018-12-08T21:56:28Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > 😕 It’s just basic math. The majority of votes in your state voted for the democratic party to represent them not just at the governor level, but in the legislature as well. However, since your state is highly gerrymandered, even though the majority of your fellow residents wish for a different government, the republican one that the majority has rejected still stays in power. Not that confusing, unless you are either really bad at math, or even worse at democracy. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/163 "2018-12-08T21:59:38Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Here’s to hoping they fuck over the police union as hard as the teachers. While that would be in keeping with the poster’s sentiment that paybacks are a bitch and him having to experience the effects that he wishes upon others would in fact be a bitch, I am actually hoping that they unfuck the teacher’s union. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/164 "2018-12-08T22:22:53Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Here’s to hoping they fuck over the police union as hard as the teachers. Why would pkbites care? He’s not in it anymore - not his problem ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/165 "2018-12-08T23:08:58Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > It’s just basic math. The majority of votes in your state voted for the democratic party to represent them not just at the governor level, but in the legislature as well. > > However, since your state is highly gerrymandered, even though the majority of your fellow residents wish for a different government, the republican one that the majority has rejected still stays in power. > > Not that confusing, unless you are either really bad at math, or even worse at democracy. Ah. So I should have used the term “back in control” instead of “back in the majority”. Got it. > [@zoid](#): > > Why would pkbites care? He’s not in it anymore - not his problem Nice of you to answer for me. :rolleyes: But actually I am. After I retired I took a position with another agency, first part-time, then accepting full-time when they offered to me. Not a whole lot they could do to screw us over. This union is even weaker than the Deputy Sheriff union I was in during my first career. I don’t really know what more they could do to us that would screw us over. They already use part-timers instead of giving a lot of OT to full timers. The union hates that but has not been able to get rid of it. I’ve been to fact finding hearings and watched the dismal representation the union gave to officers that really didn’t do anything wrong. This union tries to hard to appease management. They don’t need Scott Walkers help to screws us over. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/166 "2018-12-08T23:32:06Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Ah. So I should have used the term “back in control” instead of “back in the majority”. Got it. No, you are justifying anti-democratic policies, regardless of what terms you use. If the majority is not in control, then you are no longer really governing by the consent of the governed anymore, are you? You are imposing your will on those who do not consent to it. What’s that called again? Yes, the term that you are actually looking for is authoritarianism. It is exactly what you are advocating here. So, if you actually want to use the term right, you should have said, “overcome the authoritarian power that has taken control of the state.” > [@](#): > > Nice of you to answer for me. :rolleyes: > > But actually I am. After I retired I took a position with another agency, first part-time, then accepting full-time when they offered to me. > > Not a whole lot they could do to screw us over. This union is even weaker than the Deputy Sheriff union I was in during my first career. I don’t really know what more they could do to us that would screw us over. They already use part-timers instead of giving a lot of OT to full timers. The union hates that but has not been able to get rid of it. I’ve been to fact finding hearings and watched the dismal representation the union gave to officers that really didn’t do anything wrong. > This union tries to hard to appease management. They don’t need Scott Walkers help to screws us over. So, if they just up and got rid of the police union, would you consider that a good or bad thing, on balance? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/167 "2018-12-08T23:58:35Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > From the “White America Doesn’t Understand Democracy” thread: > > And: Never did see any response from you there. Nor here either. I must be a magician - I can make **asahi** disappear. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/168 "2018-12-09T00:24:54Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Not a whole lot they could do to screw us over. This union is even weaker than the Deputy Sheriff union I was in during my first career. I don’t really know what more they could do to us that would screw us over. They already use part-timers instead of giving a lot of OT to full timers. The union hates that but has not been able to get rid of it. I’ve been to fact finding hearings and watched the dismal representation the union gave to officers that really didn’t do anything wrong. > This union tries to hard to appease management. They don’t need Scott Walkers help to screws us over. I love how you think it’s your god given right to get overtime pay. Talk about entitled. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/169 "2018-12-09T05:51:38Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Not a whole lot they could do to screw us over. This union is even weaker than the Deputy Sheriff union I was in during my first career. I don’t really know what more they could do to us that would screw us over. They already use part-timers instead of giving a lot of OT to full timers. The union hates that but has not been able to get rid of it. I’ve been to fact finding hearings and watched the dismal representation the union gave to officers that really didn’t do anything wrong. > This union tries to hard to appease management. They don’t need Scott Walkers help to screws us over. If your union itself is pathetic, that’s not the state’s fault. That’s on the voters for leadership. Kinda like how people feel about Republicans in Kansas, North Carolina, Georgia, and Wisconsin. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/170 "2018-12-09T16:02:54Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > If your union itself is pathetic, that’s not the state’s fault. That’s on the voters for leadership. Kinda like how people feel about Republicans in Kansas, North Carolina, Georgia, and Wisconsin. Not necessarily. Public sector unions have only those powers granted them by the governing authority (usually the state). ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/171 "2018-12-09T17:14:01Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Not necessarily. Public sector unions have only those powers granted them by the governing authority (usually the state). And the state gets its powers from the voters. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/172 "2018-12-09T17:37:47Z")
The ones who not only vote but whose votes get to matter. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/173 "2018-12-10T00:22:08Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I love how you think it’s your god given right to get overtime pay. Talk about entitled. I love how some on this thread are bitching about Republicans have screwed over the unions and then when I bring up a prime issue (unions hate employers having part-time, unrepresentative employees ) some point out the entitlement mentality of the union. Of course unions have an entitlement mentality. It’s the main thing that lead to their downfall. I have little to no use for mine. It’s certainly not worth the over $1900 a year they want. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/174 "2018-12-10T00:50:30Z")
I saw the Democratic Governor-Elect on Meet The Press today, and he was holding out hope that Walker would veto this bullshit. Ho-Ho Holy Fuck! ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/175 "2018-12-10T02:42:23Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I saw the Democratic Governor-Elect on Meet The Press today, and he was holding out hope that Walker would veto this bullshit. Ho-Ho Holy Fuck! Yeah, I voted for the guy, but he’s way too gentle for this. Although I keep hoping it’s just a act of civility until Walker passes the Power Grab. Then he morphs into Brilliant Tough Politician, and says “Ha! You walked right into my trap. Now, according to this law I found, we can jail everyone who voted for this, and perp-walk them out of the Capitol in leg irons!” ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/176 "2018-12-10T05:57:10Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I love how you think it’s your god given right to get overtime pay. Talk about entitled. Is this sarcasm? Because you’re goddamn right it’s my god-given right to get overtime pay! If your country doesn’t have their shit together on this, something is _badly_ wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/177 "2018-12-10T07:27:57Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Is this sarcasm? Because you’re goddamn right it’s my god-given right to get overtime pay! If your country doesn’t have their shit together on this, something is _badly_ wrong. I suspect that yes, it is indeed sarcasm. At least if you’re familiar with **pkbites** ’s posts. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/178 "2018-12-10T13:08:46Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > I love how some on this thread are bitching about Republicans have screwed over the unions and then when I bring up a prime issue (unions hate employers having part-time, unrepresentative employees ) some point out the entitlement mentality of the union. > > Of course unions have an entitlement mentality. It’s the main thing that lead to their downfall. I have little to no use for mine. It’s certainly not worth the over $1900 a year they want. No, what unions usually complain about is hiring a bunch of part timers who take away full time jobs with benefits. Cops complain about not being able to pad their salary with overtime work. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/179 "2018-12-10T14:18:17Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > No, what unions usually complain about is hiring a bunch of part timers who take away full time jobs with benefits. I could have sworn that’s about what I said. > [@CarnalK](#): > > Cops complain about not being able to pad their salary with overtime work. I never take the time and a half pay. I prefer comp time. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459/180 "2018-12-10T14:38:34Z")
I can start a new thread about the Wisconsin legislature’s power grab, if it’s too much of a hijack from this discussion about overtime, comp time, part time workers, and what different unions do and don’t do for their workers. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-aim-for-a-lame-duck-power-grab-in-wisconsin/825459.md?page=10)