# Republicans and Dems let the gov't shut down on 09/30/25, then what? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 18, 2025, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157 "2025-09-18T17:18:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2025, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/61 "2025-10-01T23:56:45Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > I’ve seen reports that several departments have sent e-mails to their staff with similar phrasing. I posted this yesterday over in the clusterfuck thread. > [@The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues/1010068/8399): > > [And here is the notification given to federal workers in advance of the current shutdown.](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/read-email-federal-workers-getting-033912929.html) > > > [@](#): > > > > _President Trump opposes a government shutdown, and strongly supports the enactment of H.R. 5371, which is a clean Continuing Resolution to fund the government through November 21, and already passed the U.S. House of Representatives. Unfortunately, Democrats are blocking this Continuing Resolution in the U.S. Senate due to unrelated policy demands. If Congressional Democrats maintain their current posture and refuse to pass a clean Continuing Resolution to keep the government funded before midnight on September 30, 2025, federal appropriated funding will lapse._ > > > > _A funding lapse will result in certain government activities ceasing due to a lack of appropriated funding. In addition, designated pre-notified employees of this agency would be temporarily furloughed. P.L. 116-1 would apply._ > > > > _The agency has contingency plans in place for executing an orderly shutdown of activities that would be affected by any lapse in appropriations forced by Congressional Democrats. Further information about those plans will be distributed should a lapse occur._ > [@CoolHandCox](#): > > A work email auto-reply from some out of work SBA employees: > > > “I am out of office for the foreseeable future because Senate Democrats voted to block a clean federal funding bill (H.R. 5371), leading to a government shutdown that is preventing the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) from serving America’s 36 million small businesses,” the out-of-office response read. Isn’t that illegal? It’s certainly staking a political position. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2025, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/62 "2025-10-01T23:58:19Z")
And who would be enforcing this law? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2025, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/63 "2025-10-02T00:46:28Z")
That’s the rub. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/64 "2025-10-03T00:33:27Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > Do you think that a vat of boiling sulfuric acid would suffice to dissolve this “government”? A simple election would suffice, assuming you deign to hold such inconveniences any more. If so then you have two shots at it. Just two. We’d be hopeful of a return to an approximation of normality. But if the incumbent roosters retain the Treasury benches, you have probably made your own bed. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2025, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/65 "2025-10-07T19:18:40Z")
What is the Straight Dope on what Dems want besides ACA? I’ve seen Facebook posts on other stuff and I want to know what’s true. I tried googling but didn’t find anything definitive. Brian ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2025, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/66 "2025-10-07T19:24:58Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > What is the Straight Dope on what Dems want besides ACA? Mostly they want to repubs to sit down and talk, negotiate, instead of stonewalling them. The ACA is indeed one thing the Dems want most, but they are willing to talk. The GOP wants the shut down, and wont talk. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2025, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/67 "2025-10-07T21:17:54Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > What is the Straight Dope on what Dems want besides ACA? Another thing they want is assurances that any deal they make won’t be negated by rescission. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2025, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/68 "2025-10-07T22:29:34Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Another thing they want is assurances that any deal they make won’t be negated by rescission. Good point. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/69 "2025-10-08T02:32:13Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Another thing they want is assurances that any deal they make won’t be negated by rescission. And yet such assurances would be worthless. If enshrined in law with criminal penalties, Trump would pardon the perps. Other than nominating electable Democrats in 2026 and 2028, I have no answer to this. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/70 "2025-10-08T05:13:04Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > > [@dtilque](#): > > > > Another thing they want is assurances that any deal they make won’t be negated by rescission. > > And yet such assurances would be worthless. If enshrined in law with criminal penalties, Trump would pardon the perps. That isn’t an issue. Perhaps you don’t understand what rescission is. Congress passes a law requiring a certain amount of money to be spent in some specific way. It passes the Senate with at least 60 votes to override any filibuster. The President rescinds that law, saying he isn’t going to spend it. Right now, Congress can agree with the rescission with a simple majority vote in each House and thus the money doesn’t have to be spent. So what the Dems will probably want is to change the rescission provision to require the same number of votes in the Senate to agree with a rescission as it takes to override a filibuster. ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/71 "2025-10-08T10:44:46Z")
Thanks for an explanation of rescission. It dug up what little I learned in my govt classes so I definitely appreciate that. It bugs me that Trump’s office said yesterday that employees on furlough probably won’t get back pay. He was indifferent about it but I absolutely can’t be. Those and other recipients are actual people he’s talking about here. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/72 "2025-10-08T10:48:35Z")
The issue is that the senate majority could always just change their mind and go back to a simple majority for recission packages. You can’t pass a bill that specifies senate rules. I still think this is a reasonable fight for the dems to have, partly because there has to be some kind of gentlemans agreement for the dems in the minority to have any power - the majority could just eliminate the filibuster for budgets. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/73 "2025-10-08T11:59:45Z")
I think the shutdown will continue until after the Nov elections (statewide for governor and other offices in VA and NJ and maybe some other states). I believe that’s the first real opportunity for something big to change in how either side sees the shutdown. If one side sweeps big, then that will end it quick, I believe - the losing side will see that voters are rejecting their arguments, and change their tune. If it’s close, then that will prompt rethinking, which could still lead to one side blinking, but could also extend it further. But I’m betting both sides will be looking for a reason to end it at that point, and the election will provide a convenient rationale one way or the other. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/74 "2025-10-08T13:04:41Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > gentlemans agreement Aye, there’s the rub. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/75 "2025-10-08T13:50:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I think the shutdown will continue until after the Nov elections (statewide for governor and other offices in VA and NJ and maybe some other states). Curious - why do you think statewide elections will effect Congress’ position? You think there might be an apparent landswell of support one way or another at the state level that will cause the other side worry? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/76 "2025-10-08T14:03:09Z")
Because it could be a sign of a coming wave election nationally, as well as a sign to specific VA and NJ congress members about their states. If just a few Republicans suddenly believe they’re now at risk of losing the next election, they could change the whole discussion. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/77 "2025-10-08T15:29:29Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > The issue is that the senate majority could always just change their mind and go back to a simple majority for recission packages. You can’t pass a bill that specifies senate rules. The whole process of rescission is incorporated in law, including that debate on rescission bills is limited to 10 hours in the Senate, which is why they are not filibusterable. Cite: [Public Law 93-344](https://www.congress.gov/93/statute/STATUTE-88/STATUTE-88-Pg297.pdf). So the Dems should want to amend that law to allow for unlimited debate. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/78 "2025-10-08T15:43:59Z")
But the senate can always choose to make an exception to the filibuster for anything. It would be unconstitutional to enshrine the filibuster into law for any type of senate vote. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/79 "2025-10-08T15:53:50Z")
Exactly. Since when does following the rules even matter anymore? ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157/80 "2025-10-08T16:16:52Z")
I mean if they wanted to the GOP could have already got rid of the filibuster for budget resolutions (something I think they’d be completely justified in doing). Like I said above, since this whole filibuster thing is a gentlemans agreement anyway, there’s nothi g wrong with asking for a gentlemans agreement over the recision process. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-dems-let-the-govt-shut-down-on-09-30-25-then-what/1023157.md?page=5)