# Republicans and Racist Candidates **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 6, 2012, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368 "2012-07-06T00:12:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![End\_Racism\_Now](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@End\_Racism\_Now](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/End_Racism_Now)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/21 "2012-07-06T01:21:04Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Is the other major party dramatically different? Al Gore attended segregated St Alban’s Scool in 1956, Bill Clinton was a member of a Freemasonry youth group at a time and in a state where blacks could not be Freemasons, both Dukakis and Mondale were Army vets from an era where the Army had not yet integrated in any meaningful way, and Jimmy Carter was a Naval officer from before the US Navy was integrated. > > Isn’t that a silly standard to create? > > But if you are going to create it, it seems to me flawed to only apply it to one party. Notice how they weren’t adults? ---
**Author:** ![End\_Racism\_Now](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@End\_Racism\_Now](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/End_Racism_Now)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/22 "2012-07-06T01:25:23Z")
From WaPo reporters: ”Arlington, VA: Do you think that the Southern politicians of the Gore-Clinton generation focus on race because they grew up under the pains of desegregation? David Maraniss and Ellen Nakashima: Absolutely. Clinton a bit more than Gore, in that he grew up in completely segregated Hope and Hot Springs, Arkansas, went to segregated schools etc. Gore, living in Washington much of the time, had a few blacks in his school. But as our story shows, his family saw and experienced the poison of racial segregation when they could find no motel that would lodge them and their African American nanny on the trips between Carthage and Washington.” ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/23 "2012-07-06T01:26:59Z")
> [@End\_Racism\_Now](#): > > Notice how they weren’t adults? > [@Bricker](#): > > both Dukakis and Mondale were Army vets from an era where the Army had not yet integrated in any meaningful way, and Jimmy Carter was a Naval officer from before the US Navy was integrated. Try again. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/24 "2012-07-06T01:27:47Z")
> [@End\_Racism\_Now](#): > > From WaPo reporters: > > ”Arlington, VA: Do you think that the Southern politicians of the Gore-Clinton generation focus on race because they grew up under the pains of desegregation? > > David Maraniss and Ellen Nakashima: Absolutely. Clinton a bit more than Gore, in that he grew up in completely segregated Hope and Hot Springs, Arkansas, went to segregated schools etc. Gore, living in Washington much of the time, had a few blacks in his school. But as our story shows, his family saw and experienced the poison of racial segregation when they could find no motel that would lodge them and their African American nanny on the trips between Carthage and Washington.” And you don’t see the incongruity of having an African American _servant_? Wouldn’t that make them part of the problem? ---
**Author:** ![End\_Racism\_Now](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@End\_Racism\_Now](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/End_Racism_Now)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/25 "2012-07-06T01:31:44Z")
in any meaningful = weasel words ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/26 "2012-07-06T01:32:31Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Several of the Democratic candidates since 1980 have seen military service, why are they not equally racist? I suspect that his rationale is that they joined _after_ Truman’s Executive Order. :rolleyes: Carter, Dukakis, and Mondale excepted, of course. ---
**Author:** ![End\_Racism\_Now](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@End\_Racism\_Now](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/End_Racism_Now)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/27 "2012-07-06T01:34:27Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > And you don’t see the incongruity of having an African American _servant_? > > Wouldn’t that make them part of the problem? I’ve worked as a domestic servant. It is an honorable career. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/28 "2012-07-06T01:36:14Z")
> [@End\_Racism\_Now](#): > > in any meaningful = weasel words Original post = completely unfounded accusations leveled irresponsibly without citation. ---
**Author:** ![End\_Racism\_Now](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@End\_Racism\_Now](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/End_Racism_Now)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/29 "2012-07-06T01:42:14Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Original post = completely unfounded accusations leveled irresponsibly without citation. Are you really suggesting that the military wasn’t officially racist at the times relevant to Republican candidates and that the Mormon Church wasn’t officially racist at the time relevant to Romney? ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/30 "2012-07-06T01:44:30Z")
I’m suggesting that there is no evidence presented that this makes those candidates racist. Are you seriously suggesting there is? Let me repeat myself; > [@zoid](#): > > Ah I see, you’re a Morman and you personally know for a fact the Mitt Romney did not speak out to his church elders about the racist policies. > > Likewise your crystal ball tells you that those who joined the military did so not because of a desire to support their country despite the fact that there were clearly unfair policies, but that they simply didn’t care. You know for a fact that none of these people did anything like say, stand up for fellow soilders and fight against the inequality they saw. Good to know you’re omnicient. > > I have no idea if these people are racist or not - that’s why I’m not making a claim either way. > See how that works? ---
**Author:** ![End\_Racism\_Now](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@End\_Racism\_Now](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/End_Racism_Now)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/31 "2012-07-06T01:53:25Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I suspect that his rationale is that they joined _after_ Truman’s Executive Order. :rolleyes: > > Carter, Dukakis, and Mondale excepted, of course. Mondale joined in 1951. Dukakis joined in 1955. Carter was admitted 1943. Executive Order was issued in 1948. You have slandered Mondale and Dukakis. Will admit you were wrong and personally apologize to these men? It is the only honorable thing to do. Carter was originally nominated before 1980, and he is the one exception. ---
**Author:** ![End\_Racism\_Now](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@End\_Racism\_Now](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/End_Racism_Now)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/32 "2012-07-06T01:54:44Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > I’m suggesting that there is no evidence presented that this makes those candidates racist. > Are you seriously suggesting there is? > > Let me repeat myself; Quote where I claimed the facts make them racist? ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/33 "2012-07-06T02:02:07Z")
> [@End\_Racism\_Now](#): > > Quote where I claimed the facts make them racist? So just to be clear you concede the fact that nothing you have presented demonstrates these men are racist in their motivations for joining these organizations or are racist in any other way, correct? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/34 "2012-07-06T02:02:29Z")
> [@End\_Racism\_Now](#): > > Quote where I claimed the facts make them racist? Your opening post implied they’re racist by the fact they joined a racist organization. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/35 "2012-07-06T02:07:05Z")
Romney didn’t really join the LDS church-- he was born into it. However, the current Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid D-NV did join the LDS Church when it was officially segregated. At any rate, our new poster isn’t going to be swayed by logic. He’s going to cherry pick whatever data fits his preconceived ideas. ---
**Author:** ![End\_Racism\_Now](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@End\_Racism\_Now](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/End_Racism_Now)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/36 "2012-07-06T02:10:26Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Your opening post implied they’re racist by the fact they joined a racist organization. Implied = weasel word You’d have done better to quote my title, which goes too far. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/37 "2012-07-06T02:10:56Z")
> [@End\_Racism\_Now](#): > > You won’t hear this from the racist, but corporate-owned media, of the six Republican candidates since 1980, four chose to join officially racist organizations. > > Three joined the officially segregated US military, and Romney joined the officially racist Mormon church. > > This party must, be stopped. Spread the word. What organization in American society wouldn’t be racist by this definition? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/38 "2012-07-06T02:13:40Z")
Clinton chose to be born in a segregated state. One that was the poster child of Separate but Equal. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/39 "2012-07-06T02:14:10Z")
> [@End\_Racism\_Now](#): > > Implied = weasel word > > You’d have done better to quote my title, which goes too far. [From Dictionary.com](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/implied) > [@](#): > > Implied=involved, indicated, or suggested without being directly or explicitly stated; tacitly understood: Which is exactly what you did in your OP. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368/40 "2012-07-06T02:18:57Z")
> [@End\_Racism\_Now](#): > > Notice how they weren’t adults? Clinton was a Demolay until age 21 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-and-racist-candidates/627368.md?page=3)