# Republicans are ALWAYS the REAL victims! :rolleyes: **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 25, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506 "2018-10-25T17:26:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/1 "2018-10-25T17:26:16Z")
I’m getting sick of this shit, so I’m starting a thread to post examples of Republicans using this ploy. [Here’s the first entry, from New Hampshire](https://apnews.com/1351d078cc674b16965c8852a2e2c712). > [@](#): > > In an interview, Wazir’s Republican opponent, Dennis Soucy, said he has been unfairly labeled as sexist and racist. He described growing up so poor in Manchester that he washed the family’s clothes in the polluted Merrimack River and got his first job at age 11. > > “I’m the victim here,” he said. “We struggled, and here we are — everyone is jumping all over her for doing absolutely nothing, for being a refugee.” Yeah, she did nothing… nothing except learn a new language and culture and become proficient enough in it to put together a serious run for political office. At just 27 years old. While raising two daughters. After working two jobs and earning a college diploma. That’s a lot of “nothing” in 10 years. So no, you aren’t the real victim here, Dennis Soucy. You’ve lived in the most advanced society on the planet your whole life, never even having to relocate to a new country with a new language and culture once, let alone twice like Mrs. Wazir. You’re no victim. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/2 "2018-10-25T17:34:12Z")
So, what is the ethic focused on here? Who is the bigger victim? Seems like a shitty criteria. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/3 "2018-10-25T17:36:55Z")
How about “If you say you are a victim, and you aren’t actually a victim of anything, you are a douchebag”? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/4 "2018-10-25T17:37:56Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > So, what is the ethic focused on here? > > Who is the bigger victim? > > Seems like a shitty criteria. You’re just a repulsive asshole with bad reading comprehension, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/5 "2018-10-25T17:49:02Z")
> [@](#): > > “We have to take care of our own,” he said. “We have to make America what it was.” Wow, guess he traded in his dog whistle for a bullhorn. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/6 "2018-10-25T17:51:46Z")
This isn’t intended to be a “Democrats do it too!”, but the remarks of Dick Patten — whom Wazir defeated in the primary — were pretty astonishing as well: > [@The Guardian](#): > > At the polls, he told the Concord Monitor that minorities who recently arrived to Concord were “getting everything”. Speaking to the Boston Globe, he said: “It used to be the Heights would support a Heights person … but the Heights has changed, basically, from what it used to be. We have many immigrants in there now, and she’s from Afghanistan so she was treated like the princess.” So he’s backing her opponent. Sounds like a pretty classy guy, I have to say. > **[Safiya Wazir: the former refugee vying for a New Hampshire state house seat](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/02/safiya-wazir-new-hampshire-refugee-state-representative)** > > Wazir and her family fled Afghanistan when she was six. Now 27, she has unseated a four-term incumbent in the primary and could become the first refugee to hold office in the state ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/7 "2018-10-25T17:56:00Z")
I think it’s hard to beat the performance of [Alabama State Representative (and former state Trump campaign co-chair) Ed Henry defending Senate candidate Roy Moore against sexual-misconduct allegations:](https://www.al.com/news/huntsville/index.ssf/2017/11/state_rep_ed_henry_roy_moore_i.html) > [@](#): > > State Rep. Ed Henry, a staunch supporter of Roy Moore’s Senate campaign, said Friday he believes that Moore is the victim after being accused of sexual misconduct by a then-14-year-old girl. […] > > “I believe, in this instance, the accused is the victim.” […] “I don’t believe them,” Henry said of Moore’s accusers. […] > > Henry said the women should be “accomplices” for any crimes that may have been committed because they did not come forward and, by their silence, helped cover up any crime. > > “If anybody knows of a crime that there’s a predator out there and you sit back and wait for 40 years to say anything about it and let those kinds of things happen, then you should be as guilty as they are for allowing that to occur,” Henry said. I mean, wow. _“THEY’RE LIARS SLANDERING AN INNOCENT MAN BUT IF THIS INNOCENT VICTIM OF SLANDER WAS IN FACT A PREDATOR THEN HIS CRIMES ARE TOTALLY THEIR FAULT FOR NOT ACCUSING HIM EARLIER.”_ :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/8 "2018-10-25T18:11:22Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > You’re just a repulsive asshole with bad reading comprehension, aren’t you? Yes. You’ve unmasked me. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/9 "2018-10-25T18:14:11Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I think it’s hard to beat the performance of [Alabama State Representative (and former state Trump campaign co-chair) Ed Henry defending Senate candidate Roy Moore against sexual-misconduct allegations:](https://www.al.com/news/huntsville/index.ssf/2017/11/state_rep_ed_henry_roy_moore_i.html) Pretty bad. But I think Trump publicly apologizing to Brett Kavanaugh is worse: _“On behalf of our nation, I want to apologize to Brett and the entire Kavanaugh family for the terrible pain and suffering you have been forced to endure.”_ [http://time.com/5419064/trump-apologizes-kavanaugh-swearing-in/](http://time.com/5419064/trump-apologizes-kavanaugh-swearing-in/) ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/10 "2018-10-25T18:14:55Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > How about “If you say you are a victim, and you aren’t actually a victim of anything, you are a douchebag”? What’s so fucking great about being a victim? Why is this a thing that conveys worth? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/11 "2018-10-25T18:18:51Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > What’s so fucking great about being a victim? > > Why is this a thing that conveys worth? I don’t think being a victim conveys worth. I think that claiming you’re a victim when you’re not conveys assholism. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/12 "2018-10-25T18:20:59Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > What’s so fucking great about being a victim? > > Why is this a thing that conveys worth? Dude, WTF are you on about? Just go ahead and say what you want to say and stop with Socratic bs. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/13 "2018-10-25T18:28:01Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I think that claiming you’re a victim when you’re not conveys assholism. Especially when it’s used by somebody who’s done something shitty to somebody else and then adds insult to injury by saying _“Hey, **MY** suffering is what’s important here”_. Even if you are a victim of attacks provoked by your own shitty behavior, you should not be trying to focus attention on your own suffering. Example: the W. Virginia county official Pamela Taylor who posted on Facebook calling Michelle Obama “a Ape in heels” and then whined about people calling her racist. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/14 "2018-10-25T18:32:21Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > “We have to take care of our own,” he said. “We have to make America what it was.” > > Wow, guess he traded in his dog whistle for a bullhorn. Yeah, that jumped out at me, too. That said: Just from reading the OP, before I clicked through to the article, I didn’t understand what the big deal was. It quoted Republican Guy as saying that he had been unfairly accused of racism and sexism and of having had it easy, without explaining why these _weren’t_ unfair accusations. So: Semi-fail. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/15 "2018-10-25T18:33:26Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I don’t think being a victim conveys worth. I think that claiming you’re a victim when you’re not conveys assholism. No one tries to claim something that has no value. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/16 "2018-10-25T18:37:33Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > No one tries to claim something that has no value. Well, he claimed he was a victim. And yet you say being a victim has no value. So, why do YOU think he claimed it then? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/17 "2018-10-25T18:41:41Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Yes. You’ve unmasked me. You unmasked yourself. Take some personal responsibility ffs. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/18 "2018-10-25T18:52:52Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Well, he claimed he was a victim. And yet you say being a victim has no value. > > So, why do YOU think he claimed it then? Because victim hood conveys value. It gives you both sympathy and status. It can give you protection against some criticisms, an it can give you an authority to speak out on topics others can’t because of your “perspective.” It can give you an authority. It can be very very useful. It can be very attractive. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/19 "2018-10-25T18:53:55Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > You unmasked yourself. Take some personal responsibility ffs. Your modest. You deserve the credit. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/20 "2018-10-25T18:56:49Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Because victim hood conveys value. It gives you both sympathy and status. It can give you protection against some criticisms, an it can give you an authority to speak out on topics others can’t because of your “perspective.” It can give you an authority. > > It can be very very useful. It can be very attractive. If you think that, then why did you ask this: > [@Scylla](#): > > What’s so fucking great about being a victim? > > Why is this a thing that conveys worth? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506.md?page=2)