# Republicans are ALWAYS the REAL victims! :rolleyes: **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 25, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506 "2018-10-25T17:26:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/41 "2018-10-25T20:09:55Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Basically, I am trying to heal the political rift and bring the country together again. Liar. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/42 "2018-10-25T20:23:43Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Liar. Goddamn it! Nothing slips by you. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/43 "2018-10-25T20:31:09Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Goddamn it! Nothing slips by you. Personally, I thought you were trying to be funny again and recapture some long-past glory, but it reads more like Groucho in his later post-stroke days. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/44 "2018-10-25T20:34:13Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > So, what is the ethic focused on here? > > Who is the bigger victim? > > Seems like a shitty criteria. Bitch has it made, bitch is still a whiny needy bitch? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/45 "2018-10-25T20:35:30Z")
I invented the phrase “me too.” I just tossed it into a casual conversation one day, but boy howdy did it become a thing. When it started I was constantly fielding calls from the media for quotes but I thought, nah, it’s not about me. I mean, I basically started a movement that improved the lives of millions. Come to think of it, I’ve probably save actual lives, but I’m not looking for The Presidential Medal of Freedom or a Nobel Peach Prize. Gosh golly no. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/46 "2018-10-25T20:43:35Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I think if Clinton were in office, the Democrats would be treating him the way they did when he was. Yes, because President is the only political office in the land, and politicians also never talk about people in positions of power who aren’t politicians, and even if neither of those things are true there is not a shit ton of evidence that Republicans, on average, are more likely to circle the waggons and cry “fake news!” and “Well she was probably asking for it, and we like him”, while screaming for the blood of anyone remotely connected to a scandal and the Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/47 "2018-10-25T20:48:53Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I don’t post funny stuff online because it gets stolen. The people who steal it occasionally get caught and try to defend themselves by suggesting I stole it from them. I just write those things for myself. > > And, I’m really not defending Republicans/conservatives, at least not as my mission. > > I am trying to go after myopic political viewpoints. You know, reopen the dialogue, promote healthy self-analysis and an open criticism to one’s own viewpoints, a sympathy to opposing viewpoints, the realization that we live in the best of times, agree on 90% of things, should be greatful, etc etc. > > Basically, I am trying to heal the political rift and bring the country together again. > > How have you been? Thank you, great answer. I have never had any original writing stolen (I’m in no danger of that), I imagine that would be something that would eat at me, seeing someone claim my work for theirs. If they also profited from that, yeah, I’d be pissed. I’m sorry that happened. Genuinely. I have seen\* ideas\* stolen, rather routinely, in academia. The consequences go much further than just the original idea. Once again, sorry. That is a good reason for not giving us your best stuff. How about some second rate stuff then? Your second point, healing the rift, is very much on my mind. I’m 56 years old and I’ve never seen political times like these. Families not talking, not seeing each other etc. because of things that have little direct effect on them. People interacting with each other based on their perceived political views. I don’t think America can thrive if this continues. So, I agree with you 100% there. But ISTM, that you, who should be great at that, aren’t really trying. There is some stuff that is worth defending, there must be. Pick that. Trump is really indefensible. The unemployment rate is the only thing that I would say that he hasn’t made worse. But you are so much better at that than me, so find those things. Convince us that things aren’t so bad, that we DO live in the best of times, that at heart, we DO agree on most things. For instance, I am grateful that I live in America in the 21st century. My life is better than 99% of all the other people that have ever been born. That makes me want to make the world better. It makes me want to share in my luck. I was lucky to have been born when I was, to have had a great education, to have had the opportunities to be successful. Sure I could have screwed that up and lots do, but I had the opportunity to be successful, it wasn’t all me. I think America stands for that. I don’t think that current Republican policies are in line with that in any way at all. They seem to be more along the line of protecting the ones that need the least protection, of making the few very lucky, even luckier. To me, this thread s about that. About denying that white male privilege is a thing. And you, who I know could defend whatever side you choose (because you are a great writer) aren’t really giving it your best stuff. You’ve given a fair answer for why you aren’t doing that and I appreciate it. Sorry for the hijack. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/48 "2018-10-25T23:33:24Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I watched every second of the Blasey/Kavanaugh hearings twice. The accusation was not credible enough to be a reasonable factor. I feel confident that I would apply the same standard had he been a Democratic nominee. It was played very much like a last minute smear by the Democrats, and I think that the way they used and treated Ford was really shitty. > > Trump is very problematic. No question. He is horrible to women. He is pretty obvious about it. No way around that. > > You seem to view this as evolutionary, like the Democrats are getting better and the Republicans are getting worse. I doubt that. I think if Clinton were in office, the Democrats would be treating him the way they did when he was. No matter how it came out it would have been described as a “smear” by supporters of his. But that’s not important – what’s important was how the majority party responded. And they responded by not expending serious effort to determine if the allegations were true. They did as little as they thought they could get away with (and they were right at least for the short term). Further, they expended no effort to see if Kavanaugh was telling the truth. That’s not treating accusers with decency and respect. There was no urgency – only politics. The Democrats have demonstrably changed. Those accusations against Senator Franken would have gone nowhere just a few short years ago. But they’ve actually responded with a bit of decency to the MeToo movement. The Republicans have done nothing, and have not stopped celebrating an admitted and multiply-accused abuser. It’s not credible to me to say that the two parties are handling sexual assault and rape allegations in the same way in the present. If this is what you’re saying, I think you’re either delusional or dishonest. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/49 "2018-10-26T00:13:59Z")
At their core, conservatives are bullies. They need to feel superior to someone. Even if they can’t feel superior economically or academically, they can always fall back on their sense of virtue. Conservatives enjoy beating other people over the head with their sense of superiority right up until the time that they feel like they’ve been beaten at their own game. Then they cry like little babies. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/50 "2018-10-26T01:06:30Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > And actually i’m Kind of proud of that! > > I became internet famous over that, and got emails from journalists wanting to see me and interview me over that thread, including the WSJ. > > The best thing though was that I started a trend. I wouldn’t do it again or be interviewed about it, so several journalists went out and got waterboarded on tv after that. It became a thing for a while. > > And, I would like to think that in some small way, that brought attention to the very real fact that it is torture, and possibly limited or ceased it’s use in some circumstances. > > I started the whole thing. I was the first. It’s awesome. I actually changed the world for the better, even if it was just a little bit, while goofing off on the internet. > > Thanks for bringing that up! You weren’t the first. I told you in that thread that it had already been done by a reporter on national television. Only he got a couple of ex-navy SEALs to do it rather than his wife, iirc. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/51 "2018-10-26T01:42:05Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > You weren’t the first. I told you in that thread that it had already been done by a reporter on national television. Only he got a couple of ex-navy SEALs to do it rather than his wife, iirc. Excuse me. We are talking politics here. I’ll be damned if you are going to come in here and disrupt my awesome narrative by contaminating it with your alternate facts. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/52 "2018-10-26T01:48:24Z")
Careful. The guy who did it was on Fox News. Don’t wnt your Conservative card pulled for calling them alternative facts. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/53 "2018-10-26T01:49:12Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > At their core, conservatives are bullies. They need to feel superior to someone. Even if they can’t feel superior economically or academically, they can always fall back on their sense of virtue. Conservatives enjoy beating other people over the head with their sense of superiority right up until the time that they feel like they’ve been beaten at their own game. Then they cry like little babies. Are you sure you are not talking about Jews? Maybe it’s blacks, or Catholics? No wait. I got it. It’s the blacks who are the bullies. it’s the conservatives who wield their virtue as a club, the Jews who get beaten at their own game, and women who cry. Catholics just molest kids. You got to keep this shit straight. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/54 "2018-10-26T01:50:42Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Careful. The guy who did it was on Fox News. Don’t wnt your Conservative card pulled for calling them alternative facts. On the Republican board I’m a left wing, nut job. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/55 "2018-10-26T01:55:31Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > On the Republican board I’m a left wing, nut job. Seriously. You troll both ways? Sexy. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/56 "2018-10-26T01:56:27Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I think if Clinton were in office, the Democrats would be treating him the way they did when he was. Al Franken would probably dispute that point. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/57 "2018-10-26T01:59:31Z")
St. **Scylla** of the Straight, the Peacemaker, spreading the warm balm of genial good nature, who holds closed the jaws of the lion. Patron of reason and mutual respect, the Chuck Norris of compromise and accommodation, Now, Universe, I know I haven’t been a very good pantheist, but if I could just have this _one_ galactic-level miracle… ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/58 "2018-10-26T02:02:34Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Are you sure you are not talking about Jews? Maybe it’s blacks, or Catholics? > > No wait. I got it. It’s the blacks who are the bullies. it’s the conservatives who wield their virtue as a club, the Jews who get beaten at their own game, and women who cry. > > Catholics just molest kids. > You got to keep this shit straight. Oh, I get it. You’re being…ironic. Fuck face. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/59 "2018-10-26T22:26:59Z")
[Check this out](https://apnews.com/151f311056594102b23a68404f562b3d): > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump says he knows the pipe bomb suspect was a supporter, but says he bears “no blame” for the suspect’s actions. > > Speaking with reporters on the South Lawn Friday before he left for a political rally in North Carolina, Trump said, “There is no blame.” And of course, he makes sure to tell everyone how Republicans are the REAL victims here. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > He says the pipe bomb incidents have hampered Republicans’ momentum moving into the midterm elections. And he is taking a jab at the media, saying journalists have been unfair to Republicans. Fuck Trump and his Cult of Victims. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506/60 "2018-10-26T23:40:29Z")
Following the bombing, when asked whether he would tone down his rhetoric for a few days, Trump makes it clear that he thinks Republicans are the real victims: “Well, I think I’ve been toned down. I could really tone it up. Because as you know, the media has been incredibly unfair to me and to the Republican Party.” When asked whether he would telephone the 2 highest profile targets of the attack -Obama and Clinton- Trump replied, “I think we’ll probably pass.” This is different than the behavior of all preceding Presidents. Before he was elected, I thought Trump would do the ceremonial stuff better. > **[Trump has passed on every chance to unite the country during the pipe bomb...](https://www.vox.com/2018/10/26/18029958/trump-pipe-bomb-cesar-soyac-obama-clinton-cnn)** > > Imagine how he’d act if the crisis were worse. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-always-the-real-victims-rolleyes/823506.md?page=4)