# Republicans are basically Nazis, exhibit 14H **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 22, 2019, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341 "2019-05-22T08:09:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/41 "2019-05-23T01:21:36Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > At least they’ve been screaming for _legal_, non-insane solutions. Unlike certain posters here. 😉 But god dammit it felt great! Until the next morning. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/42 "2019-05-23T01:58:10Z")
I think Big Brother is a better analogy to today’s GOP than the Nazis. There is plenty of overlap of course, but check out this prescient bit of lit from “1984”: > [@](#): > > April 4th, 1984. Last night to the flicks. All war films. One very good one of a ship full of refugees being bombed somewhere in the Mediterranean. Audience much amused by shots of a great huge fat man trying to swim away with a helicopter after him. first you saw him wallowing along in the water like a porpoise, then you saw him through the helicopters gunsights, then he was full of holes and the sea round him turned pink and he sank as suddenly as though the holes had let in the water. audience shouting with laughter when he sank. then you saw a lifeboat full of children with a helicopter hovering over it. there was a middleaged woman might have been a jewess sitting up in the bow with a little boy about three years old in her arms. little boy screaming with fright and hiding his head between her breasts as if he was trying to burrow right into her and the woman putting her arms around him and comforting him although she was blue with fright herself. all the time covering him up as much as possible as if she thought her arms could keep the bullets off him. then the helicopter planted a 20 kilo bomb in among them terrific flash and the boat went all to matchwood. then there was a wonderful shot of a childs arm going up up up right up into the air a helicopter with a camera in its nose must have followed it up and there was a lot of applause from the party seats but a woman down in the prole part of the house suddenly started kicking up a fuss and shouting they didnt oughter of showed it not in front of kids it aint until the police turned her turned her out i dont suppose anything happened to her nobody cares what the proles say typical prole reaction they never- Sure, that’s farther than they have gone thus far, but it was only the other day Trump and his audience were joking around about gunning down migrants at the border. There’s the same cruel enjoyment in dehumanizing and hurting others, the same glee at the thought of killing the ‘other’. It isn’t Nazism, it is authoritarianism. There is a lot more creepy prescience to be found in 1984. It obviously isn’t a perfect match, but I recommend everyone drop what they’re doing and read 1984 right away. Obviously if you’re an airplane pilot or surgeon or something, finish what you’re doing first. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/43 "2019-05-23T02:02:10Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > He’s not defending them. He’s just ignoring them and posting an irrelevant and historically-dubious distraction. Which is a tactic to defend something. It’s called “whataboutism.” ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/44 "2019-05-23T02:04:37Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > \ > > Puts on sunglasses 🆒 > > Because this thread sure has aged well. > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=867721&highlight=republican+animals](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=867721&highlight=republican+animals) > > I mean a lot of yous are a LOT angrier at Republitards than I am, and I’m still pretty damned angry. But some of you all who were telling me to chill have lost your fucking shit, screaming for impeachment. Fuck off. You were advocating for **killing people** , so advocating for impeachment is not worse. If you would just with the lying to defend yourself, it would be nice. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/45 "2019-05-23T02:10:31Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Good luck with that; we’re all counting on you. Seems you forgot to include the “Regards” at the end. I mean, you are parodying **Shodan** , right? You’re attacking the liberal position with nothing but pointless snark. You pretend to be anti-Trump, but you’ve just attacked someone for taking an anti-Trump position. You’re trying to be **Shodan**. Because the liberal **Snowboarder Bo** wouldn’t pull this shit. Right? And, no, telling me to “Shut up” is not some amazing rejoinder. It tells me I hit a nerve. You want to act like a right wing asshole, then I’m going to treat you like one. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/46 "2019-05-23T02:16:53Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Fuck off. You were advocating for **killing people** , so advocating for impeachment is not worse. > > If you would just with the lying to defend yourself, it would be nice. Where did I advocate “killing” people? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/47 "2019-05-23T08:47:40Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I think Big Brother is a better analogy to today’s GOP than the Nazis. There is plenty of overlap of course, but check out this prescient bit of lit from “1984”: > > Sure, that’s farther than they have gone thus far, Yes, that’s a lot, lot farther. Like it has pretty much nothing to do with it. Call back when they’ll show the execution of immigrants on live TV for the enjoyment of the Republican masses. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/48 "2019-05-23T11:13:06Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > If people _really believed_ that, more of them would be fleeing the country. Why not judge Republican swine by their actions rather than how people react to their actions? > [@](#): > > I just don’t think it’s an accurate comparison You’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/49 "2019-05-23T11:34:53Z")
I would like to go on the record as opposing firing anyone into the sun, let alone 60 million people. > [@BigT](#): > > Which is a tactic to defend something. It’s called “whataboutism.” I am aware. There was a certain tongue-in-cheek element intended in my post. I am also aware that comparisons to the Nazis have traditionally been purely hyperbolic. However, there are enough actual parallels between the early Nazi practices and what is currently going on in America that to avoid at least considering them would be to ignore the lessons of history. Which would be bad. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/50 "2019-05-23T11:55:39Z")
How many did you have last night, BigT? How’s ya head this morning?😃 ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/51 "2019-05-23T14:04:14Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Yes, that’s a lot, lot farther. Like it has pretty much nothing to do with it. Call back when they’ll show the execution of immigrants on live TV for the enjoyment of the Republican masses. \<_ring,ring_\>Hello, **clairobscur**? Besides the fact that families are being separated, there is a show of sending soldiers to the border, a show of migrants being teargassed, and people are literally dying in the camps our government has built for them, the idea of gunning them down has become an article of Trump-rally entertainment, see [Trump jokes after rally attendee’s suggestion to ‘shoot’ migrants at the border](https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/politics/donald-trump-rally-shoot-migrants/index.html). Sure, that isn’t gunning them down on live TV for fun, not yet, but I just wanted to point out that _exactly that_ is part of the GOP dream, and point it out before it becomes a reality. Sure, maybe I am just getting too alarmed. But at least I had something specific to bring in comparing the GOP to something. I wish people throwing around the Nazi label would bring in a list of specifics for comparison. And then throw out the Nazi comparison, because that is too specific of a thing to fit well IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/52 "2019-05-23T14:51:42Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Yes we all read in history class how, once the Holocaust got started, the Jews were simply flooding into Nazi territory. Go away, stupid cruel person. Most of these people don’t know the horrors ICE has prepared for them. ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/53 "2019-05-23T15:15:58Z")
You gotta love it when reactionaries get hysterical over a headline. Read the article, overlook the hyperbolic thread title, ignore exhibits 1 through 13 and what you’re left with is one suicidal transsexual who was “harassing other detainees” prior to being put in solitary -and- a reference to 8,400+ “placements of ICE detainees in solitary confinement…for offenses as minor as consensual kissing, and to segregate hunger strikers, LGBTQ detainees, and people with disabilities.” Unfortunately, the link to said detainees brings one to a page showing a block graph with no specifics. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/54 "2019-05-23T19:01:19Z")
> [@JohnBckWLD](#): > > Unfortunately, the link to said detainees brings one to a page showing a block graph with no specifics. They do make the[raw data](https://www.icij.org/investigations/solitary-voices/about-the-solitary-voices-data/) available. Also if you scroll to the bottom of the block graph and then back up to the top it bring up a tool that will let the reason for being sent to solitary and the time they spent there. From the graph, as bad as this treatment is, it doesn’t seem to really be a Trump problem so much as a long standing ICE problem. Most of the data predates Trump, and while there might be a data acquisition bias that makes recent cases less likely to make it into the database, as the data stands now there actually appears to be subtantially fewer incidents in 2017 than in the previous years. So it may be that although its still a problem, the recent recognition of solitary confinement as torture is having an effect. So yeah, I gotta agree that this is a false alarm and allow the Trumpists to get on with their gloating, and new found indignation once they discover they can blame Obama. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/55 "2019-05-24T08:27:37Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Yes we all read in history class how, once the Holocaust got started, the Jews were simply flooding into Nazi territory. Dolts like you shouldn’t try sarcasm unassisted, but I think your whinge is that queers who walk into a place where queers are tortured have only themselves to blame. Get a friend with a 95+ IQ, if you have one, to help find out whether the gays knew in advance they’d be tortured. We have a “Nominations for Stupidest Doper” thread; can someone bump it please? **WillFarnaby** has worked hard for the title; let’s make it official. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/56 "2019-05-24T10:07:56Z")
> [@racepug](#): > > Who said I was joking? If I had the power, that’s what I would do. And I wouldn’t regret it for even one millisecond. Why not? Because those lizard brains are making everything worse for each and every one of us (even if THEY don’t understand that in the least). It’s called “addition by subtraction,” see? Wouldn’t it make more sense, if you had the power to actually send people to the sun, to send the ones causing people to flee their homes and forcing them travel 1000’s of miles over dangerous country (full of people who probably should be on the sun ship as well)? Or is it only your fellow countrymen you hate, specifically white people? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/57 "2019-05-24T12:52:05Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Dolts like you shouldn’t try sarcasm unassisted, but I think your whinge is that queers who walk into a place where queers are tortured have only themselves to blame. Get a friend with a 95+ IQ, if you have one, to help find out whether the gays knew in advance they’d be tortured. I am reminded of _Ship of Fools_, where a Jewish guy who won an iron cross in WWI tells the dwarf, “They would never do anything to me”, and the dwarf responds, “You’re the most German person I ever met.” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/58 "2019-05-24T13:11:08Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > We have a “Nominations for Stupidest Doper” thread; can someone bump it please? **WillFarnaby** has worked hard for the title; let’s make it official. We DO? Linky, please. ETA: TIA ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/59 "2019-05-24T15:51:27Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > [@septimus](#): > > > > We have a “Nominations for Stupidest Doper” thread; can someone bump it please? **WillFarnaby** has worked hard for the title; let’s make it official. > > We DO? Linky, please. > > ETA: TIA I misremembered. :o We do have these two threads: - [“Silver lining wins by acclamation! (So who is the SECOND most stupid Doper?)”](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=859995) - [“Best Bot Posting at SDMB: Nomination Thread”](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=759256) but with **Mr. Lining** fallen by the wayside, the first thread would need a title change. As for the 2nd, I think we can rule out **Farnaby** ’s being a bot: his posts would be more intelligible if he were. Don’t take offense, **WillFarnaby** , but you don’t seem interesting enough for me to start a new Pit thread. But if you have the self-awareness to Pit yourself, I’ll try to participate. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341/60 "2019-05-24T15:55:11Z")
[This](https://www.msnbc.com/stephanie-ruhle/watch/thousands-of-immigrants-forced-into-solitary-confinement-by-ice-60040261961?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma) MSNBC story says this went as far back as the Obama administration. Way to spin it OP into Republicans = Nazis childish bullshit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-basically-nazis-exhibit-14h/834341.md?page=4)