# Republicans are taking away my unemployment for my own good. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 8, 2013, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823 "2013-12-08T15:44:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/421 "2014-01-03T03:12:23Z")
**Monavis** I do not want your “sympathies”, they come at too high a price. Just give it up, you’ll get no approval here and your false martyr routine rings hollow. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/422 "2014-01-03T04:34:29Z")
Most social or political philosophers start with a study of human history, though many still reach wrong conclusions. But YouTubing “thinkers” in post-rational America don’t bother with history study: they just invent whatever fantastical history supports their fetish. [QUOTE=WillFarnaby] I attack the government because it undermines a civilized society … [/QUOTE] Wow! It’s only a slight exaggeration to claim that “government” and “civilization” are synonymous! One can quibble at the margins: “uncivilized” pastoral or hunter/fisher societies might have had chiefdoms, related to family clans. One might want to ask the Farnaby “scholar” how imposed family discipline relates to his theory of governance, but it’s laughable to imagine he could grasp the nuances of the question, let alone answer. [QUOTE=WillFarnaby] I consider you deeply challenged. Ireland lasted a 1000 hears without a government. [/QUOTE] More hilarity. Ireland was a violent feudal society not unlike anarchic Somalia. It _did_ have the Christian church, a government-like authority, which imposed some stability. When I asked Farnaby whether the tithes he would have paid would have been like a “tax” he exposed himself as a fraud with zero sense of perspective: He got “holier-than-thou” (like a Freeman on the Land 😛 ) and said that _he_ wouldn’t have tithed. I do want to give Farnaby some credit. He probably has an IQ in the high 90’s and is fun to laugh at. Some of the other Hyperlibertarians are just babbling idiots no more fun than the dullest oinkers in the farmyard. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/423 "2014-01-03T10:57:11Z")
The hilarity of a tax-phobe pining for Medieval times! Between the King’s fifth and the church’s tithe the base tax rate was 30%, and there were all sorts of tolls and fees on top of that! ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/424 "2014-01-03T13:54:53Z")
Oh, but HE wouldn’t have paid them! 😛 Nevermind that they would have just killed him in very gruesome ways for that. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/425 "2014-01-03T14:04:53Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > What makes you think I care what a wretched person who is also a liar says about me? Lets see your proof that I lied. Is it because you are angry because I disagree with you? Name calling is a sign of anger and I am not harmed by your retort. You know nothing about me, and you opinion doesn’t bother me in the least. because you believe I am lying doesn’t mean I am. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/426 "2014-01-03T14:10:49Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > **Monavis** I do not want your “sympathies”, they come at too high a price. Just give it up, you’ll get no approval here and your false martyr routine rings hollow. Strange that you consider me a Martyr I sure don’t and people who know me would disagree with you. If I were a martyr, it would be a good thing. A martyr does for others, I just decided what was best for me in the long run and now I am in my 80’s and have a better life than many of my generation. You don’t have to live as I did, nor did I state you should. My point was not to look a gift horse in the mouth, if you do that personally then that is your business not mine! ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/427 "2014-01-03T15:56:29Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I thought this was a debate site,where anyone can express their opinions, I expect some or even many to disagree with me. And if you don’t agree that is your right and I take it as I see fit. Which makes your reply (if you believe your own words) pointless? GD is for debates, if you were curious, but somehow I don’t think you are. I was replying to the nonsense about Taxation being theft instead of the price of citizenship. Lobohan said it more colorfully a page back, but my opinion is as follows: This country provides a level of services agreed to by the majority and funded by taxation (or the promise there of). Levels of taxation have not met the minimum needs of the majority and need to be raised. There are some who are not in the majority who don’t like that. Tough. There are over a thousand different countries out there in the world and if Objecting Tax Payers want a better deal, they are free to be Enlightened Consumers and head out to any one of them. Your money is good at any country on the globe. [Flights leave on the hour.](http://www.flychicago.com/ohare/en/home/Pages/default.aspx) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/428 "2014-01-03T16:03:15Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I thought this was a debate site,where anyone can express their opinions It is. You expressed your opinion, he expressed his opinion of your opinion… what do you want, a parade? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2014, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/429 "2014-01-04T01:21:09Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > You know nothing about me, and you opinion doesn’t bother me in the least. You keep saying this, but I don’t believe it. If you don’t care why do you keep replying? ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2014, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/430 "2014-01-04T02:00:57Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > It is. You expressed your opinion, he expressed his opinion of your opinion… what do you want, a parade? We can get parades? No one told me that was an option. I don’t see it on the User Control Panel. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2014, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/431 "2014-01-04T12:12:25Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > You keep saying this, but I don’t believe it. If you don’t care why do you keep replying? The same reason you do! ---
**Author:** ![TheBori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ee7513/32.png) [@TheBori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheBori)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/432 "2014-01-16T16:51:55Z")
> [@fisha](#): > > I’m an employer. I will tell you that I DON"T hold a crappy job against someone when they are applying for a skilled job. In fact, I hold them in higher esteem, because it shows their work ethic and sense of responsibility is higher than their ego and sense of entitlement…I’m a remodeler- just on this side of the worst construction economy since the 80’s. Yeah, it sucked-it sucked hard. But there is NO job that is beneath me, if that’s what it takes. Amen brother. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/433 "2014-01-16T17:53:36Z")
Sister (in her case) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/434 "2014-01-16T19:48:43Z")
So, employers are a homogenous group, then, and we may rely with confidence that the virtues you so clearly embody are universal among that class of persons? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/435 "2014-01-16T19:49:43Z")
What a silly question. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/436 "2014-01-16T20:15:03Z")
What a pointless rejoinder. The complaint is that employers tend to look askance at resumes from people who have been out of work for a long time. The testimony that one is an employer and does not have that prejudice speaks well for **fisha** , but may only mean that **fisha** is an exception to a rule, or is from Minnesota. Seriously, you don’t get that? ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/437 "2014-01-16T20:36:54Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > We can get parades? No one told me that was an option. I don’t see it on the User Control Panel. It’s in alpha order. You’ll find Parade right before Pie and Pony. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/438 "2014-01-16T22:02:25Z")
> [@TheBori](#): > > Amen brother. If only more employers had this attitude. What should the response be to a potential employer who refuses to consider hiring someone on the basis that he/she is “overqualified”? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2014, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/439 "2014-01-17T00:17:40Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > If only more employers had this attitude. > > What should the response be to a potential employer who refuses to consider hiring someone on the basis that he/she is “overqualified”? The fear is that someone who takes a job they are overqualified for is that the employee will not do well in the position for a variety of reasons. I don’t know if there has ever been studies on this, but that is the rationale behind people not wanting to hire overqualified people. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2014, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823/440 "2014-01-17T00:26:53Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > The fear is that someone who takes a job they are overqualified for is that the employee will not do well in the position for a variety of reasons. I think it is more the assumption that overqualified candidates will leave as soon as they find a better fit for their skills for more money. Not entirely irrational. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-are-taking-away-my-unemployment-for-my-own-good/675823.md?page=23)