# Republicans can just go straight to fucking hell **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 14, 2018, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918 "2018-10-14T01:47:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/101 "2018-10-18T14:16:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There were 65 terrorist attacks in the US in the last year – almost 2/3rds were tied to right-wing extremists: [https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/12/study-shows-two-thirds-us-terrorism-tied-right-wing-extremists](https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/12/study-shows-two-thirds-us-terrorism-tied-right-wing-extremists) > > Murders by white supremacists more than doubled in 2017, killing far more people in America than Islamic extremists or leftist extremists (and more than both combined): [Murders By U.S. White Supremacists More Than Doubled In 2017, New Report Shows | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/white-supremacist-murders-2017-report_us_5a5f59b0e4b0ee2ff32c4bea) > > Left-wing violence is not increasing: [Fact Check: Is Left-Wing Violence Rising? : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/533255619/fact-check-is-left-wing-violence-rising) Further, “In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders”. > > Republican officials and candidates who have physically attacked/threatened people recently: [Greg Gianforte](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Gianforte#Assault_of_reporter), [David Perdue](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/14/perdue-snatch-phone-georgia-governor-899808), [Michael Grimm (in 2014)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Grimm_(politician)#Confrontation_with_reporter), [Texas Republican Matt Rinaldi](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/us/texas-protests-sanctuary-cities.html), [Republican candidate for PA governor Scott Wagner](https://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/pennsylvania/mc-nws-scott-wagner-tom-wolf-golf-spike-threat-20181012-story.html). All of these but one have happened this year or last. > > I found all this in a matter of minutes. There’s much, much more to be found. I find it telling you failed to show all those YouTube videos of a random person yelling at another random person. It’s almost like they don’t matter! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/102 "2018-10-18T14:17:21Z")
[CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD CAN’T RETURN HOME FOR ‘QUITE SOME TIME’ DUE TO CONTINUOUS DEATH THREATS: LAWYER](https://www.newsweek.com/christine-blasey-ford-cant-return-home-continuous-death-threats-1157262) ““I will say, this has been terrifying,” Katz told NBC’s Kasie Hunt during an interview alongside fellow Ford attorney Lisa Banks. “Her family has been through a lot. They are not living at home. It’s going to be quite some time before they are able to live at home. The threats have been unending. It’s deplorable. It’s been very frightening.” [Are ‘Antifa’ and the Alt-Right Equally Violent?](https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/08/17/are-antifa-and-the-alt-right-equally-violent/) “Marilyn Mayo, senior research fellow for the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, said that statistics show that radical leftists have been dramatically less likely to kill people than their counterparts on the opposite side of the political spectrum. Over the past decade, extremists of every stripe have killed 372 Americans. 74 percent of those killings were committed by right wing extremists. Only 2 percent of those deaths were at the hands of left wing extremists” [Right-wing warnings pose far more danger to America than left-wing violence.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/09/28/right-wing-warnings-pose-far-more-danger-america-than-left-wing-violence/?utm_term=.ce463a884e79) "Alex Nowrasteh, an immigration policy analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute, has calculated that “terrorists inspired by Nationalist and Right Wing ideology have killed about 10 times as many people as Left Wing terrorists since 1992.” “These narratives about aggressive left-wing violence aren’t just distorted. They are dangerous, because they set the stage for replacing democratic institutions with authoritarian rule. Provoking street violence and blaming it on their opponents is exactly how totalitarian regimes have gained power in the past.” ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/103 "2018-10-18T14:23:11Z")
[In liberal Vermont, racist threats drive a black legislator to quit](https://www.pressherald.com/2018/10/12/in-liberal-vermont-racist-threats-drive-a-black-legislator-to-quit/). [Man who threatened to kill SC Sen Scott over Charlottesville remarks pleads guilty](https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article210299444.html). Literally 5 minutes of searching. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/104 "2018-10-18T14:35:39Z")
I may not be able to respond more until much later, but I do promise to look at all the links, take some notes and respond. One suggestion, I might make: if their are ten people looking for examples of right on left violence, and hate speech, and only one looking in the other direction, we are likely to get a skewed result. If we are interested in making a good analysis, than you should also look for and post counter examples. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/105 "2018-10-18T14:46:17Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > One suggestion, I might make: if their are ten people looking for examples of right on left violence, and hate speech, and only one looking in the other direction, we are likely to get a skewed result. One suggestion, I might make: if you are going to accuse one side of being increasingly and unacceptably violent, you shouldn’t be looking only one direction for data, you are likely to get a skewed result. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/106 "2018-10-18T14:58:46Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I may not be able to respond more until much later, but I do promise to look at all the links, take some notes and respond. > > One suggestion, I might make: if their are ten people looking for examples of right on left violence, and hate speech, and only one looking in the other direction, we are likely to get a skewed result. > > If we are interested in making a good analysis, than you should also look for and post counter examples. You asked for cites and you’re getting cites. And now you’re _asking us to help you make your own argument?_ Are you fucking kidding us? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/107 "2018-10-18T14:59:13Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > if their are ten people looking for examples of right on left violence, and hate speech, and only one looking in the other direction That raises the obvious question of why there is so much more concern about the former than about the latter. The obvious answer is that it is for the same reason there is so much more concern about the risk of contracting cancer or heart disease than there is about the risk of contracting ebola or mad cow disease. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/108 "2018-10-18T14:59:26Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > One suggestion, I might make: if you are going to accuse one side of being increasingly and unacceptably violent, you shouldn’t be looking only one direction for data, you are likely to get a skewed result. I was aware of that, and I have been looking at both sides since prior to my return on the dope. The attacks and threats both physical, and non physical against prominent Republicans/conservatives, including actual attempts at violence, doxxing, public harassment, are unmatched by anything the right is offering against prominent Democrats/ liberals. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/109 "2018-10-18T14:59:33Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I may not be able to respond more until much later, but I do promise to look at all the links, take some notes and respond. > > One suggestion, I might make: if their are ten people looking for examples of right on left violence, and hate speech, and only one looking in the other direction, we are likely to get a skewed result. > > If we are interested in making a good analysis, than you should also look for and post counter examples. Maybe it’s just me, but I would think that you would want to make “a good analysis” BEFORE you reach your conclusion. Because it certainly seems like you had your conclusion and are now working back from that and putting the onus on others to prove your conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/110 "2018-10-18T15:09:49Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You asked for cites and you’re getting cites. And now you’re _asking us to help you make your own argument?_ Are you fucking kidding us? That depends. Do you want to win the argument? Don’t help me. Just do a one-sided comparison, load up the side you favor, be prepared to attack examples that disagree with your thesis, and support those that do. It should be easy. But if you are interested in figuring out what reality looks like, you will need to work at it, and it will be hard. It’s up to you. This is a good exercise for me. I’ve stacked everything against my argument by arguing here, with you, in the most hostile place I can find for my argument to see if it holds water. You just need to decide what you want out of this. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/111 "2018-10-18T15:09:58Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > The attacks and threats both physical, and non physical against prominent Republicans/conservatives, including actual attempts at violence, doxxing, public harassment, are unmatched by anything the right is offering against prominent Democrats/ liberals. Assumes facts not in evidence. What IS in evidence is that iiandyiii and Hamlet (two posters, not ten) are rapidly coming up with many citations of violence and threats against Democrats, which you suggest hardly exist. You’re changing the entire slate you’re going to vote for over a few incidents, and are going to ignore similar incidents from the side you are shifting to. What sense does that make? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/112 "2018-10-18T15:38:19Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Assumes facts not in evidence. What IS in evidence is that iiandyiii and Hamlet (two posters, not ten) are rapidly coming up with many citations of violence and threats against Democrats, which you suggest hardly exist. > > You’re changing the entire slate you’re going to vote for over a few incidents, and are going to ignore similar incidents from the side you are shifting to. What sense does that make? Well let’s see what they come up with and then tally and analyze later. Sounds dood? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/113 "2018-10-18T15:52:11Z")
[U.S. sees 300 violent attacks inspired by far right every year.](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u-s-sees-300-violent-attacks-inspired-far-right-every-year) " Since 2001, the number of violent attacks on U.S. soil inspired by far-right ideology has spiked to an average of more than 300 a year, according to a study by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point. A 2015 survey of U.S. law enforcement groups found they consider anti-government violent extremists to be a more severe threat than radicalized Muslims. And while jihadist terrorists have killed 95 people in the U.S. since 9/11, far-right extremists have killed 68 during the same time, including the car attack in Charlottesville." [After Health Vote, Threats on Democrats.](https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/health/policy/25health.html) [Health Care’s Ugly Aftermath: The Death Threats Mount](http://content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1979008,00.html) “This year’s divisive debate over health care reform, and the ultimate passing of a bill, seems to have brought out far more serious threats — and a more serious response from law enforcement. Telephone and e-mail threats have escalated to vandalized gas lines, envelopes containing mysterious white powder, bricks thrown through windows and threats of sniper fire against children and grandchildren. Earlier this week, a man was arrested for making death threats against Senator Patty Murray, a Washington Democrat. Soon afterward, a California man was arrested for doing the same thing to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. “The uptick in threats — I noticed it in the December time frame, and it’s been steady since then,” says Terrance Gainer, the Senate’s sergeant-at-arms, who oversees security for the nation’s 100 Senators.” ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/114 "2018-10-18T15:53:53Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > But if you lived in PA, you’d still vote for him to avoid the SCARY leftists? Actually I am in Pa, and I know I said earlier I was voting all Republican. I was thinking about the Federal level, and I should have been clearer. Tom Wolf has done a really good job, he’s not left wing whacko, and he is generally balanced in the way he looks at issues. He is a respectable politician, in that he appears to be only moderately corrupt. He is getting my vote. I don’t buy Scott Wagner’s bullshit. If I did, the shoe thing would not bother me. I don’t think it’s an actual threat, but obvious rhetorical hyperbole. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/115 "2018-10-18T16:04:39Z")
And if we’re talking about right wing violence, do we get to include normal people? People who are killed or assaulted because they’re different? ["White Supremacist Charged With Killing 2 In Portland, Ore., Knife Attack](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/27/530351468/2-dead-1-injured-after-stabbing-in-portland-ore) [Man who yelled ‘get out of my country’ before killing Indian immigrant pleads guilty, faces life sentence](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-kansas-man-federal-hate-charge-20180307-story.html) [Accused Killer of Black Soldier Liked Pro-Trump, Pro-White Memes](https://www.thedailybeast.com/accused-killer-of-black-soldier-liked-pro-trump-pro-white-memes) ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/116 "2018-10-18T16:09:39Z")
We could spend hours on the threats against Hillary Clinton and her supporters alone. [Trump Adviser: Hillary Clinton ‘Should Be Shot in a Firing Squad for Treason’](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/clinton-baldasaro/496199/) [Hillary Clinton ‘should be tried for treason… hung,’ West Virginia lawmaker says](https://www.ajc.com/news/national-govt--politics/hillary-clinton-should-tried-for-treason-hung-west-virginia-lawmaker-says/qmvDAS4geFgh776CCcq8QK/) [Arizona newspaper gets death threats for endorsing Hillary Clinton - the first Democrat endorsement in 125 years](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/arizona-newspaper-republic-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-endorsement-death-threats-a7365986.html) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/117 "2018-10-18T16:14:56Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > That depends. Do you want to win the argument? Don’t help me. Just do a one-sided comparison, load up the side you favor, be prepared to attack examples that disagree with your thesis, and support those that do. > > It should be easy. > > But if you are interested in figuring out what reality looks like, you will need to work at it, and it will be hard. > > It’s up to you. This is a good exercise for me. I’ve stacked everything against my argument by arguing here, with you, in the most hostile place I can find for my argument to see if it holds water. > > You just need to decide what you want out of this. You asked for cites. You got cites. And now you’re complaining about getting cites. If you want an actual discussion, then you should respond to the cites. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/118 "2018-10-18T16:15:17Z")
[Man charged with sending Feinstein email threatening her life](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/411086-man-charged-with-sending-feinstein-email-threatening-her-life) [Feinstein’s office receiving ‘threats of bodily and sexual harm against staff’](https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article218738630.html) ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/119 "2018-10-18T16:22:54Z")
[Brat Supporter’s Death Threat to Spanberger Reappears on Facebook Page](https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/brat-supporters-death-threat-spanberger-reappears-facebook-page) [After death threats, former Binghamton mayoral candidate won’t give up on public office](https://www.newyorkupstate.com/binghamton/2017/06/after_death_threats_former_binghamton_mayoral_candidate_wont_give_up_on_public_o.html) [“Beginning during my 2016 campaign, I have received very alarming acts of intimidation, including death threats,” Weaver said in the Facebook post. “While some may say enduring threats are just a part of running for office, my personal safety has increasingly become a concern.”](https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2017/06/03/kim-weaver-withdraws-her-candidacy-iowas-4th-district-race-congress/368389001/) ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918/120 "2018-10-18T16:23:16Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You asked for cites. You got cites. And now you’re complaining about getting cites. If you want an actual discussion, then you should respond to the cites. I didn’t complain. I made a suggestion contingent upon what you would like to get out of this. You don’t have to follow it, but don’t say I’m complaining. I’m going to wait and see what is produced, go through the cites and respond after careful consideration. I did say that I may not be able to respond to them until later, so I was upfront about that as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-can-just-go-straight-to-fucking-hell/822918.md?page=7)