# Republicans: candidate who assaulted reporter is fine with us! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 25, 2017, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443 "2017-05-25T21:36:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/521 "2017-05-29T23:40:58Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > How about The Black Caucus. Look at them, and tell me how many are actually “black”. And let’s all agree once and for all that Charlize Theron is an African-American. Wow, proof by linguistic nonsense is fun!!! 😃 I really don’t know if this is directed at me or someone else. But ok. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/522 "2017-05-29T23:41:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Then why can’t the kind of life make a difference? Pro-life refers to unborn human life. It does make a difference. And the term you are using is inadequate. You may use “pro-fetus-life for others who are opting for termination of pregnancy” if you want. I’m being flexible here. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/523 "2017-05-29T23:48:12Z")
What on Earth is going on in this country? Republicans aren’t Republicans anymore. The party of Lincoln is now a xenophobic, religious nutter wasteland of thugs and idiots. And I used to vote for this party! Sorry Mom, you were right about GWB! The Democrats aren’t much better either, but at least they don’t seem to be “as evil” as the current GOP, although they are all corporate money whores, which IMO is the real root of many of our ills in the rotten system. Money, corporations treated as people and given free passes for any manner of malfeasance due to political sway, all of it. It’s all slimy, shitty, disgusting and not at all of how people should be governed. To quote Bill Maher from the late 1990’s, “…when I vote for a Republican, I want two things: a prick and a square…a father figure to keep Mommy the Democrat from spending all the money.” That view no longer holds true. I do believe there are fiscally conservative Republicans out there that are honest, normal people that actually live in a world of fact and science, but they are now in the minority, apparently. Ultimately what I do not understand and that I wish I could change is this: obstructionism. Reps and Senators from both sides often have or had great ideas that may have benefited the American populace, but…“Hey, you have an ® by your name, or a (D), so I can’t vote for that!” Where’s our modern Henry Clay? Where’s the polite but firm discourse? For fuck’s sake, we might as well have Presidential debates now where they curse at each other, it’s only a step away. But think of the children! Especially the white ones! ---
**Author:** ![DoggyDunnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DoggyDunnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoggyDunnit)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/524 "2017-05-30T00:21:16Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > So, not only do you claim to be able to decide what “choice” means, you get to decide what is “valid” and what is “double speak”. > > I disagree with **Bricker** on the issue this thread is actually about, so stop making him look good with your stupid arguments! “Pro-life” is a slogan, just like “pro-choice”. They mean what the group that uses them mean. The St. Louis Cardinals aren’t actually cardinals, they’re human beings, members of the species _H. sapiens_. Did you know that? The facts do, not me. I am simply the messenger. You have beef with what things actually mean and what’s valid and invalid - take it up with the arbiter of reality. He/she/it/they may or may not exist, and no other human has cracked that chestnut so far, so good luck to you. I’m less concerned with the arbiter and more concerned with the reality itself, thanks. 🆒 > [@raventhief](#): > > I really don’t know if this is directed at me or someone else. But ok. It’s directed at me. Righties seem to love trying to ram the slippery slope fallacy in places with no room for it. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/525 "2017-05-30T00:37:15Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > By the way, shit for brains, there was a hell of a lot of tighty-rigthty angst and outrage over the poor Nazi (who actually was trolling the crowd) getting slapped by a GIRL. I guess the brave Valhalla bound berserker Defender of the Master Race just can’t hang. > > I was one of those who took the attitude of “meh, she can face assault charges but I won’t lose any sleep over a Nazi”, or pretty damn close to it. Your assclowns were all pissed off that we didn’t show enough outrage about that “horribly cruel attack”. > > So let’s play it like this. You love Nazis and far right wing thugs. > > Hows’ that fit? > > Fucking troll. Clowns like you are partly to blame for political violence. If you can’t condemn it when it comes from your side you have no room to whine when others act in a similar fashion. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/526 "2017-05-30T00:38:34Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Wait. DeVos is pro-choice? Alright! dominionism, discrimination, and abortion all around! I really wonder why out of all the Trump people Bricker had to go for DeVos. Besides the usual ideology that they all seem to have of wanting in the past to dismantle or destroy the office they are heading now, DeVos big business ideas from her Neurocore outfit sound like Scientology Jr. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/05/26/betsy-devos-neurocore/?utm\_source=fark&utm\_medium=website&utm\_content=link&ICID=ref\_fark](https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/05/26/betsy-devos-neurocore/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark) > [@](#): > > SO WHAT DOES IT SAY that our education secretary is backing Neurocore? > > For one, it seems that feeble science doesn’t bother DeVos. The budget document released by her department on Tuesday emphasizes that education decisions should be informed by “reliable data, strong research, and rigorous evaluations.” But like her boss, President Trump, DeVos apparently isn’t one to let evidence get in the way of what she wants to do. A recent study of school vouchers by DeVos’s agency showed that one program dragged down math scores by as much as seven points. Still, DeVos champions voucher programs, dismissing her opponents this past week as “flat-earthers.” > > … > > I’ll admit that before I stepped into Neurocore, I had little intention of signing up for the company’s treatment. I had read too many articles skeptical of brain training to think that I should pay for its services. But it took talking to experts and a visit to Florida to discover that the firm was also hurtful — a Trump University for people with cognitive struggles. By wrapping weak science in sleek packaging, by promising something that it cannot fully deliver, Neurocore offers false hope to people who need honest help. In this regard, what’s most remarkable is that DeVos, the nation’s foremost pedagogue, is behind it all, promoting a form of education that doesn’t actually seem to educate. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/527 "2017-05-30T02:01:04Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > A \*politician \*chilling the press, and I don’t believe I said a damn thing about it being unconstitutional, per se. It shows a lack of respect for the Constitution, but I wouldn’t say it is unconstitutional; as such. > > And I was attempting to clarify the position _another poster_ put forth with a possible interpretation of your admittedly non-standard usage of the phrase “pro-life.” True on both counts. Another poster called the conduct unconstitutional. And yet another calls for “pro-life,” to mean having a position on health care. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/528 "2017-05-30T02:19:15Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > It does make a difference. And the term you are using is inadequate. You may use “pro-fetus-life for others who are opting for termination of pregnancy” if you want. I’m being flexible here. Charlize Theron African-American? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/529 "2017-05-30T02:35:08Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Charlize Theron African-American? You talkin to me? I’m not Robert DeNiro. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/530 "2017-05-30T04:10:47Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > …By the dictionary, a source you touted for the meaning of pro and life, DeVos is pro-choice. She favors choice of schools. Right? Gosh, **Bricker** , the academic career you _could_ have had as a literary critic of the deconstructionist and semiotic type! Proving, conclusively, that what the writer _thought_ he was saying was really _not at all_ what he was saying! Like Dr Suess was advancing an existential socialism, more akin to Sartre than Camus… But instead, you went to law school. Missed it by _that_ much… ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/531 "2017-05-30T05:08:19Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Gosh, **Bricker** , the academic career you _could_ have had as a literary critic of the deconstructionist and semiotic type! Proving, conclusively, that what the writer _thought_ he was saying was really _not at all_ what he was saying! > > Like Dr Suess was advancing an existential socialism, more akin to Sartre than Camus… > > But instead, you went to law school. Missed it by _that_ much… 🙂 Still, one should wonder why our hoister of aqua continues to do so for the league of plagiarists and optional patriots. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/532 "2017-05-30T09:12:54Z")
_nevermind - pointless response to a post two pages ago …_ ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/533 "2017-05-30T09:37:48Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > What on Earth is going on in this country? Republicans aren’t Republicans anymore. The party of Lincoln is now a xenophobic, religious nutter wasteland of thugs and idiots. And I used to vote for this party! Sorry Mom, you were right about GWB! > > The Democrats aren’t much better either, but at least they don’t seem to be “as evil” as the current GOP, although they are all corporate money whores, which IMO is the real root of many of our ills in the rotten system. Money, corporations treated as people and given free passes for any manner of malfeasance due to political sway, all of it. It’s all slimy, shitty, disgusting and not at all of how people should be governed. > > To quote Bill Maher from the late 1990’s, “…when I vote for a Republican, I want two things: a prick and a square…a father figure to keep Mommy the Democrat from spending all the money.” > > That view no longer holds true. I do believe there are fiscally conservative Republicans out there that are honest, normal people that actually live in a world of fact and science, but they are now in the minority, apparently. > > Ultimately what I do not understand and that I wish I could change is this: obstructionism. Reps and Senators from both sides often have or had great ideas that may have benefited the American populace, but…“Hey, you have an (R) by your name, or a (D), so I can’t vote for that!” > > Where’s our modern Henry Clay? Where’s the polite but firm discourse? For fuck’s sake, we might as well have Presidential debates now where they curse at each other, it’s only a step away. But think of the children! Especially the white ones! Damn, did I type this? Old age. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/534 "2017-05-30T10:47:28Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Charlize Theron African-American? Yeup. She [was born in Benoni](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlize_Theron), in the then-Transvaal Province of South Africa. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/535 "2017-05-30T12:44:21Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Yeup. She [was born in Benoni](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlize_Theron), in the then-Transvaal Province of South Africa. I know. But my point is that despite the accuracy of the words “African-American,” the term in political discourse does not encompass Ms. Theron. The example highlights the error in insisting that “pro-life,” must imply a favorable position on government healthcare. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/536 "2017-05-30T14:38:09Z")
There’s glory for you! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/537 "2017-05-30T15:08:19Z")
You can keep my share. Glory is for graveyards. ---
**Author:** ![DoggyDunnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DoggyDunnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoggyDunnit)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/538 "2017-05-30T17:11:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I know. > > But my point is that despite the accuracy of the words “African-American,” the term in political discourse does not encompass Ms. Theron. > > The example highlights the **error** in insisting that “pro-life,” must imply a favorable position on government healthcare. (Bolding mine.) Bless your heart. Here I am, some silly goose thinking that words have actual meaning. Pack it up, folks, looks like we wasted a few tens of thousands of years developing this “language” thing. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/539 "2017-05-30T17:51:24Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > (Bolding mine.) > > Bless your heart. Here I am, some silly goose thinking that words have actual meaning. Pack it up, folks, looks like we wasted a few tens of thousands of years developing this “language” thing. Except he’s right. “African-American” is usually a more restrictive term than the literal constituents of the word, often specifically restricted to descendants of African slaves. ---
**Author:** ![DoggyDunnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DoggyDunnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoggyDunnit)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443/540 "2017-05-30T18:06:33Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Except he’s right. “African-American” is usually a more restrictive term than the literal constituents of the word, often specifically restricted to descendants of African slaves. Yeah, well, despite that, if my white friend from Cape Town decides to move to and establish himself in the U.S., he’ll be just as much an “African-American” as I am. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-candidate-who-assaulted-reporter-is-fine-with-us/787443.md?page=28)