# Republicans & Conservatism after Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 6, 2017, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-conservatism-after-trump/792951 "2017-08-06T22:11:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-conservatism-after-trump/792951/61 "2018-03-07T01:41:17Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I don’t have the desire to engage in endless pedantic nitpickery. You just made me snort my gimlet out of my nose. It burns. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-conservatism-after-trump/792951/62 "2018-03-07T23:41:15Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Whatever you say, Big Brother. Please don’t set the Thought Police on me. > > (Btw, nationalism is also closely related to wrapping oneself in the flag to justify committing or enabling base and corrupt acts.) This perversion of language is real and deliberate strategy. Of course, so is the ridicule of those that point out the employ of said strategy. > **[Opinion | We’re All Fascists Now (Published 2018)](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/opinion/were-all-fascists-now.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region)** > > Why are feminists and liberals getting thrown into the slop bucket with the likes of Richard Spencer? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-conservatism-after-trump/792951/63 "2018-03-07T23:59:19Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > This perversion of language is real and deliberate strategy. Of course, so is the ridicule of those that point out the employ of said strategy. > [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/opinion/were-all-fascists-now.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/opinion/were-all-fascists-now.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region) Are you fucking kidding me? It’s not redefining a term, it’s you trying to apply an antiquated definition which just ain’t so. Maybe you need to recall a few lectures on nationalism from your history class, I don’t know. But spare me the overblown, federal case. No, wait. I admit it. I’m part of a conspiracy to change your world view by altering the definition of the word of nationalism. Give me a break. (Btw, YOU’RE the one who started with the 1984 bullshit. I just threw it back in your face.) ---
**Author:** ![FavreCo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a698b9/32.png) [@FavreCo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FavreCo)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-conservatism-after-trump/792951/64 "2018-03-08T00:16:11Z")
I don’t know how much more of this winning I can take. My stock market account continually gets stuffed with more and more Ben Franklins every day, every week and every month. it must suck to be standing around, hating on Trump because you are part of the govt hand out crowd watching those of us who work for a living make more & more $. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-conservatism-after-trump/792951/65 "2018-03-08T00:51:03Z")
“Work for a living” and “Watching my stocks increase in value” are not synonymous, though. Did you mean you were contributing more “Franklins” to your account on a weekly basis? I don’t _want_ to see the U.S. undergo a major recession, but tariffs for no real reason sounds like a big step in that direction. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-conservatism-after-trump/792951/66 "2018-03-08T01:28:52Z")
> [@FavreCo](#): > > I don’t know how much more of this winning I can take. My stock market account continually gets stuffed with more and more Ben Franklins every day, every week and every month. > > it must suck to be standing around, hating on Trump because you are part of the govt hand out crowd watching those of us who work for a living make more & more $. I don’t know about the ‘government handout’ crowd. But I do find it interesting that you conveniently ignore the blatant corruption going on in the White House, including kowtowing to a foreign power, so long as your bank statement grows. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-conservatism-after-trump/792951/67 "2018-03-08T01:32:47Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > This perversion of language is real and deliberate strategy. Of course, so is the ridicule of those that point out the employ of said strategy. > [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/opinion/were-all-fascists-now.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/opinion/were-all-fascists-now.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region) Have you really read that article? You’re the one engaging in the fascistic behavior, raising the hue and cry. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-conservatism-after-trump/792951/68 "2018-03-08T01:52:09Z")
It is kind of a paradox, though. The party of small government riding on strong words of nationalism. This can only turn our well. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-conservatism-after-trump/792951/69 "2018-03-08T11:40:45Z")
> [@FavreCo](#): > > I don’t know how much more of this winning I can take. My stock market account continually gets stuffed with more and more Ben Franklins every day, every week and every month. > > it must suck to be standing around, hating on Trump because you are part of the govt hand out crowd watching those of us who work for a living make more & more $. Were you equally thrilled when your portfolio soared in value under Obama? If not, why not? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-conservatism-after-trump/792951/70 "2018-03-08T13:10:37Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > I don’t know about the ‘government handout’ crowd. But I do find it interesting that you conveniently ignore the blatant corruption going on in the White House, including kowtowing to a foreign power, so long as your bank statement grows. To say nothing of our allies’ trust. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-conservatism-after-trump/792951/71 "2018-03-08T15:38:19Z")
Hello everyone. It appears tempers are heating up in this thread. Allow me to remind everyone that such things can get people in trouble here in the Elections forum. If you feel you MUST resort to strong language and insults, we have our lovely BBQ Pit forum for all of your insulting needs. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-conservatism-after-trump/792951/72 "2018-03-08T15:44:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > In this thread. You do read what you write? You are equating the ancient idea of nationalism with the specific ideology of white supremacy in the United States in order to tarnish the concept of nationalism. Unfortunately, this form of cognitive bias manipulation is as effective as it is common. Its still tribalism, and historically tribalism over nationality is usually tied into tribalism over race, religion and other identifiers. Many times one is tied in with the other. Racists tend to be nationalists, nationalists tend to be racists. The real question is is the rise in authoritarian tribalism that is occurring all over the world a blip (like pan arabism), or is it part of a long term pattern? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-conservatism-after-trump/792951.md?page=3)