# Republicans don't give a CHIP about children's health care **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 27, 2017, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986 "2017-10-27T12:29:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/141 "2017-10-28T16:10:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > To the contrary, I deny that my Church’s teachings guide my social policy proposals. Clearly. > [@](#): > > Who told you I claimed they did? Who told you I was basing anything on a claim _you_ made? > [@](#): > > I would never want to be accused of promoting theocracy, or intermingling church and state! An adequate health system doesn’t mix church and state. Religious institutions are not necessary to the practice of medicine or the implementation of a state-owned insurer. You’re confused. > [@](#): > > So, who told you my church’s teachings guide my social policy desired outcome? According to the priests I encountered as a kid, Jesus. Who told you that the church’s teachings on how to behave towards your fellow man only apply if you live in a theocracy? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/142 "2017-10-28T16:12:47Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > I don’t like to use the word “evil” myself, but a bankrupt ideology has a lot to answer for. “Evil” has supernatural connotations, it seems to me. I prefer to think of the American right as “vile”. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/143 "2017-10-28T16:21:10Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. > > This evasion ignores the concept of the holistic nature of the Church’s teachings ‘This evasion.’ There is none that you have stated. Please come back and try again, or thanks for playing. > [@](#): > > (at least my Church; I have no idea if your version of being a Christian celebrates picking and choosing whatever’s convenient, although I of course have, based on your public participation here, some strong suspicions). You are developing quite the history of saying things like this - totally unsupported imputations of dishonesty that you hint are backed up somewhere in the history of this board. Guess your Church’s ‘holistic teaching’ justifies that sort of thing somewhere, right? Must be in one of the less-cited Papal encyclicals. [QUOTE] > [@](#): > > My opinions about public policy are not myopic. I don’t focus on one tiny good and insist we elevate it above all else. I guess we can’t debate either the morality or secular justification of any indlvidual program, then. Not to mention, you are lying. I am not ‘elevating this program above all else’ though it’s a pretty damn easy call to justify its being towards the top of the heap in terms of being able to justify it relative to other programs. I am comparing it directly to another program, the proposed GOP tax cut. I am saying that it’s an easy call to justify this as being more valuable in the secular sphere and more moral from a Christian perspective than the difference between the richest 1% getting a $1.5 trillion tax cut, and only a $1.492 trillion tax cut. It’s really a snap to elevate it above _that._ > [@](#): > > This is one of many liberal curses: the belief that Helping People is all any program needs in order to gain support. Congratulations. You can regurgitate bullshit Fox News talking points. And just because you choose to put some unsupported characterization of liberalism out there, doesn’t mean we have to debate it. Just because some conservative says “liberals are like this” doesn’t mean there’s any truth in it. It’s just a really mediocre level of intellectual dishonesty. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/144 "2017-10-28T16:27:29Z")
Why aren’t those sick kids pulling themselves up by their bout straps? We can’t allow a government based healthcare system that will encourage them to be remain dependent on government. much better that they rely and depend on the mercy of the righteous few who vote to ensure they remain dependent on the mercy of the church. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/145 "2017-10-28T16:42:15Z")
The Pope said that healthcare is a right, not a consumer good nor a privilege. He wasn’t addressing CHIP of course, but rather that so many people in the world do not have access to treatment or healthcare. I’m sure if he is aware of the children healthcare program, he also feels that tax cuts are more important, and that Christian mercy should not guide political policy. Take the pro life debate, for instance. No one who votes to enact an abortion ban is ever guided by religious motivation, right? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/146 "2017-10-28T17:23:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Ok, I agree with this plan. We will follow our rules of representative democracy, and elect legislators and an executive to express our will of what’s legal, moral and right. > > And they have. > > Oh… wait. I bet I hear a hasty change coming now, don’t I? Not so much a fan of the process when it yields results you don’t like? > > Or was this post intended to express support for the Congressional decision after all? It is this sort of flippant non sequitur that prevents most of us from taking you seriously. By your own standard — assuming the above is intended to be anything more than meaningless ass-scratching — you supported CHIP since it was enacted by the “rules of representative democracy, [expressing] our will of what’s legal, moral and right.” Similarly, you supported Hillary’s murder of Vince Foster and the Benghazi Four(\*), et cetera. I’m just quoting your own opinion back at you since Clinton and Obama were elected as “executive to express our will of what’s legal, moral and right.” Get the picture? You’re so intent on throwing your putrid shit at the walls to express your anger that almost nothing you say makes any sense anymore or is, even within your narrow world, consistent. - I can’t be bothered to remember _why_ you have such visceral hatred of Clinton. Just substitute “Hillary’s operating a child sex ring” or “selling all our uranium to the Persians/Russians” or whatever confused conspiracy theory has reduced you to such a bitter hate-filled old man. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/147 "2017-10-28T17:37:21Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > [National Income Inequality and Declining GDP Growth Rates Are Associated with Increases in HIV Diagnoses among People Who Inject Drugs in Europe: A Panel Data Analysis](http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0122367) > [https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0ahUKEwjJ6Lml05PXAhVI44MKHeqXBPEQFghBMAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.oecd.org%2Fels%2Fsoc%2FFocus-Inequality-and-Growth-2014.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0evHrmTFXcLFhP5ofWcJDl](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0ahUKEwjJ6Lml05PXAhVI44MKHeqXBPEQFghBMAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.oecd.org%2Fels%2Fsoc%2FFocus-Inequality-and-Growth-2014.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0evHrmTFXcLFhP5ofWcJDl) > [Understanding the Historic Divergence Between Productivity and a Typical Worker’s Pay: Why It Matters and Why It’s Real | Economic Policy Institute](http://www.epi.org/publication/understanding-the-historic-divergence-between-productivity-and-a-typical-workers-pay-why-it-matters-and-why-its-real/) > [Capital in the long run](https://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2014/01/inequality) > [Where The Productivity Went - The New York Times](https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/28/where-the-productivity-went/?_r=0) > > I don’t like to use the word “evil” myself, but a bankrupt ideology has a lot to answer for. I wasted tine perusing these links, and discovered that not one of them addresses the proof I asked for. But I can’t say I am surprised. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/148 "2017-10-28T17:43:27Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I wasted tine perusing these links, and discovered that not one of them addresses the proof I asked for. > > But I can’t say I am surprised. Of course you also skipped the IMF study, from people who are not commies; not surprised by your bad faith. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/149 "2017-10-28T17:48:41Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Who told you I was basing anything on a claim _you_ made? > [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Desired results guide social policy. Your church’s teachings guide your behaviour. So I’m told. Not seeing it myself. Ok, does “So I’m told,” in these words you wrote refer to the immediately prior sentences? Who told you that my church’s teachings guide my behavior _with respect to the formation of social policy?_ > [@](#): > > According to the priests I encountered as a kid, Jesus. Who told you that the church’s teachings on how to behave towards your fellow man only apply if you live in a theocracy? Every leftist fuckhead that said prohibiting abortion would establish a theocracy. Sorry. You don’t get to haphazardly apply Church teachings when they suit you. Secular policy must be justified apart from any references to a Flying Spaghetti Monster. That lesson has already been established. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/150 "2017-10-28T17:48:57Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > It is this sort of flippant non sequitur that prevents most of us from taking you seriously. > > By your own standard — assuming the above is intended to be anything more than meaningless ass-scratching — you supported CHIP since it was enacted by the “rules of representative democracy, [expressing] our will of what’s legal, moral and right.” > > Similarly, you supported Hillary’s murder of Vince Foster and the Benghazi Four(\*), et cetera. I’m just quoting your own opinion back at you since Clinton and Obama were elected as “executive to express our will of what’s legal, moral and right.” > > Get the picture? You’re so intent on throwing your putrid shit at the walls to express your anger that almost nothing you say makes any sense anymore or is, even within your narrow world, consistent. > > - I can’t be bothered to remember _why_ you have such visceral hatred of Clinton. Just substitute “Hillary’s operating a child sex ring” or “selling all our uranium to the Persians/Russians” or whatever confused conspiracy theory has reduced you to such a bitter hate-filled old man. QFT and I have to notice (again) that people like Orrin Hatch voted for CHIP. I guess he and several republicans also skipped the lessons that only Bricker and others “learned”. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/151 "2017-10-28T17:51:45Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > The Pope said that healthcare is a right, not a consumer good nor a privilege. He wasn’t addressing CHIP of course, but rather that so many people in the world do not have access to treatment or healthcare. I’m sure if he is aware of the children healthcare program, he also feels that tax cuts are more important, and that Christian mercy should not guide political policy. Take the pro life debate, for instance. No one who votes to enact an abortion ban is ever guided by religious motivation, right? Why should that have the slightest relevance to our debate about public policy? Do you find his positions on same-sex marriage or abortion equally relevant? Or do you just like the Pope when he agrees with you? My position on abortion is not based on what the Pope says. Because that would be wrong. Everyone says so. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/152 "2017-10-28T17:56:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Why should that have the slightest relevance to our debate about public policy? > > Do you find his positions on same-sex marriage or abortion equally relevant? > > Or do you just like the Pope when he agrees with you? > > My position on abortion is not based on what the Pope says. Because that would be wrong. Everyone says so. Is any aspect of your life based on or influenced by what Pope ? Why are you pro life? helping sick children is not matter for religious belief, but abortion? Is that not an aspect of public policy you would like to see guided by religious considerations? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/153 "2017-10-28T17:57:17Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Ok, does “So I’m told,” in these words you wrote refer to the immediately prior sentences? Who told you that my church’s teachings guide my behavior _with respect to the formation of social policy?_ > > Every leftist fuckhead that said prohibiting abortion would establish a theocracy. > > Sorry. You don’t get to haphazardly apply Church teachings when they suit you. Secular policy must be justified apart from any references to a Flying Spaghetti Monster. That lesson has already been established. Way ahead of you, I do remember that one point stasticians like Hans Rosling made was that to make a nation develop one very important piece was to have a healthy population. The secular and more economical way to continue the progress of a nation is to also have healthy people that will then go to help others with their taxes in their old age. You are welcome to your medicare later, even if you do not deserve it. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/154 "2017-10-28T17:58:22Z")
> [@](#): > > it is this sort of flippant non sequitur that prevents most of us from taking you seriously. that would be one of the things, yes 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/155 "2017-10-28T17:58:37Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > It is this sort of flippant non sequitur that prevents most of us from taking you seriously. > > By your own standard — assuming the above is intended to be anything more than meaningless ass-scratching — you supported CHIP since it was enacted by the “rules of representative democracy, [expressing] our will of what’s legal, moral and right.” > > Similarly, you supported Hillary’s murder of Vince Foster and the Benghazi Four(\*), et cetera. I’m just quoting your own opinion back at you since Clinton and Obama were elected as “executive to express our will of what’s legal, moral and right.” > > Get the picture? You’re so intent on throwing your putrid shit at the walls to express your anger that almost nothing you say makes any sense anymore or is, even within your narrow world, consistent. > > - I can’t be bothered to remember _why_ you have such visceral hatred of Clinton. Just substitute “Hillary’s operating a child sex ring” or “selling all our uranium to the Persians/Russians” or whatever confused conspiracy theory has reduced you to such a bitter hate-filled old man. What the hell? I never supported any such theory about Clinton: no Foster murder, no Benghazi, no pizza gate. I don’t agree any of those are true, so how in the world does this make any sense to throw at me? Done with you, again. Bye. Hope your gut flora are doing well, and thank them for their continued participation in politics. Special shout out to the few that do take me seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/156 "2017-10-28T18:05:58Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Is any aspect of your life based on or influenced by what Pope ? Why are you pro life? helping sick children is not matter for religious belief, but abortion? Is that not an aspect of public policy you would like to see guided by religious considerations? There is no area of public policy that I want to see guided by my religious faith. It’s true that there are areas in which my desired outcome aligns with my religious faith, but that’s mere happenstance, and, indeed, if every single policy dictate I favored was different, then my faith would be guiding my choices as well. No, no: the lesson is clear. Religious faith is simply an impermissible influence when deciding policy. That’s the rule. Your ideological brethren have made it clear; I have adopted it totally. Now, in my personal life, a different answer is present. But those personal considerations are not remotely relevant to my secular public policy proposals. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/157 "2017-10-28T18:08:30Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Who told you that my church’s teachings guide my behavior _with respect to the formation of social policy?_ Good point! Because though your church has a great deal to say about social policy, you seem to ignore any of it that would be left-of-center here in the U.S. > [@](#): > > Sorry. You don’t get to haphazardly apply Church teachings when they suit you. Secular policy must be justified apart from any references to a Flying Spaghetti Monster. That lesson has already been established. Well, sure. But a wide range of policy prescriptions are feasible, in the limited sense that they won’t sink the Republic anytime soon if implemented. And at least specious secular justifications can be found for pretty much all of them. If you’re morally guided by your Church, and your Church urges policy prescriptions that are somewhere within that range of feasibility, why exactly are you not supporting them? > [@](#): > > Every leftist fuckhead that said prohibiting abortion would establish a theocracy. Prohibiting abortion might not _establish_ a theocracy, but it IS an inherently theocratic policy. While it has the facial secular justification of protecting the lives of human persons, that justification rests on a very non-secular set of beliefs about when human personhood begins. It is not good secular policy that has Christian moral justification as well - it’s strictly an imposition of religious beliefs on believers and unbelievers alike, like laws against dancing. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/158 "2017-10-28T18:22:32Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Good point! Because though your church has a great deal to say about social policy, you seem to ignore any of it that would be left-of-center here in the U.S. I’m ignoring all of it. No religious considerations for social policy. > [@](#): > > Well, sure. But a wide range of policy prescriptions are feasible, in the limited sense that they won’t sink the Republic anytime soon if implemented. And at least specious secular justifications can be found for pretty much all of them. So? > [@](#): > > If you’re morally guided by your Church, and your Church urges policy prescriptions that are somewhere within that range of feasibility, why exactly are you not supporting them? Because your ilk use them as weapons. You cherry-pick guidance when it suits you and screech like frightened geese when faith is used to advance a policy you don’t like. But that’s not the principal reason. The principal reason is: because those teachings are not intended to be applied piecemeal. People wring their hands at the Church’s rejection of birth control, not understanding that the Church also teaches that sex is reserved to a marital act and in that context alone does the rule exist. > [@](#): > > Prohibiting abortion might not _establish_ a theocracy, but it IS an inherently theocratic policy. While it has the facial secular justification of protecting the lives of human persons, that justification rests on a very non-secular set of beliefs about when human personhood begins. Not really. It’s perfectly possible to imagine a secular, atheistic affirmation of the need to protect human life in the womb, and more so not even necessary to imagine it: there are pro-life atheists. > [@](#): > > It is not good secular policy that has Christian moral justification as well - it’s strictly an imposition of religious beliefs on believers and unbelievers alike, like laws against dancing. No. It’s policy you don’t want, so it’s swept away as theocratic, your supposed interest in religiously based social policy a mere wisp of a memory now that we pick something you disfavor. Keep your theology off my biology! ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/159 "2017-10-28T18:27:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > What is it with liberals and “some of us?” > > Are you all infested with intestinal parasites that share your opinions? Or do you believe your opinion gains respectability because a whole gaggle of you are solemnly assuring each other of your virtue? > > Some of ME believes that we have many needs in society and insufficient resources to fund them all, so it’s appropriate to prioritize them. Some of me also believes that programs that simply give crap to people, even the (sob) “most vulnerable among us” are not as valuable as creating a prosperous society in which all are uplifted by the economic gains, as opposed to perpetuating a permanent dependent class of people who will remain vulnerable (and, hey, funny side effect, remain in thrall to the party that keeps giving them stuff, which I’m sure is a TOTAL COINCIDENCE). Thank you for illustrating my point. “Some of us” are less interested in seeing other human beings – especially our own citizens, particularly children born into circumstances not of their own making, of one of the wealthiest nations on the planet – suffer needlessly in order to ensure that we can personally expand our own wealth well beyond that needed to provide the basic necessities they lack. You demonstrate that you are considerably more self-oriented and uninterested in finding common ground with your fellow Americans on a topic that seems to be pretty low-hanging fruit. Yeah, you know, the “think of the children!” variety. If we can judge the morality of a parent by how he treats his children, can we not assess the morality of a society by how it treats its children? If this nation which ranks second in the world in GDP doesn’t have the resources to ensure that its own children are universally provided access to health care, let alone fed, clothed, housed and educated, we are doing something very wrong. Of the misallocating or squandering our resources type of wrong. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986/160 "2017-10-28T18:28:39Z")
Stupid phone posting. But I am not Catholic, so for me the Pop is just some guy. I agree with some of what he says and not other things. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-dont-give-a-chip-about-childrens-health-care/799986.md?page=9)