# Republicans Immediately Reject Idea of Republican Supreme Court Nominee **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 24, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019 "2016-02-24T20:57:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/41 "2016-02-25T16:39:45Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Obama hasn’t nominated anyone, so the Senate has nothing to consider. > > Regards, > Shodan I hope you are not suggesting the Majority Leader lied when he said no Obama nominee will be considered, sir, because if so, it will be pistols at dawn. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/42 "2016-02-25T16:48:57Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Also, Lame Duck means a president in his first term between the point of losing the bid for reelection and the time he packs up his shit and walks out of the White House. Obama has never been a Lame Duck and can never be one. > > I blame Sarah Palin’s nonsensical speeches for changing the common usage to mean ‘an ineffectual president’. I agree. This fiasco is all Sarah Palins fault. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/43 "2016-02-25T16:55:23Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Also, Lame Duck means a president in his first term between the point of losing the bid for reelection and the time he packs up his shit and walks out of the White House. Wait, huh? AFAIK “lame duck” has never referred only to a single-term politician. Anyone who continues to serve out a term after someone else has become _position_-elect is a lame duck. Obama will be one between November 8, 2016, and January 20, 2017. OTOH, I’m totally fine with blaming anything and everything on Mama Grizz. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/44 "2016-02-25T16:55:28Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Sure, sure. > > So far as you’re aware, has there been a previous situation that would allow a tighter comparison? > > By that I mean: > > 1. An actual vacancy, > 2. in June of an election year, > > Where the White House and Senate were controlled by different parties? > > Because to my eyes, Biden’s commentary is reasonably close to the current Senate sentiment. I could just as easily speculate that his supposed willingness to consider (your #3) arose from the hypothetical nature of the situation he faced. After all, he was clearly signaling his intent that such a nomination would be inappropriate – otherwise, why say anything? To announce that the Senate would consider a nominee is hardly news. Right? What was his message? Ah, the old Brickeroo: "This thing that is vaguely similar to something else is _EXACTLY THE SAME THING BECAUSE BOTH PARTIES ARE THE SAME, AND MY PARTY ISN’T REALLY EVIL, BECAUSE SAME!!!1111One"_ Just 'cause you’re a pony doesn’t mean you can only know one trick. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/45 "2016-02-25T16:57:59Z")
I hate this thing that people do on the Dope. “Oh, the Repubs are not wrong because the Dems did this before.” Who the fuck cares? Go make your own thread about what the Dems did before (or vice versa). Right now we are talking about today’s issues and bringing up the old ones is just a way of deflecting the new ones. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/46 "2016-02-25T17:00:16Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And I will again point out that someone who claims what you do about your integrity has no need for _tu quoque_ arguments in the first place. Either you think it’s okay or it’s not–what other people do is irrelevant. Bricker is the uncrowned king of _tu quoque_. There’s just about no act of Republican scumbaggery so vile that he won’t defend it by groveling back through history to find some vaguely similar action by a Democratic politician. I don’t know, maybe it’s because lawyers are biased towards thinking in terms of precedents and case law. Or maybe because he just doesn’t have any actual valid arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/47 "2016-02-25T17:07:16Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > Bricker is the uncrowned king of _tu quoque_. There’s just about no act of Republican scumbaggery so vile that he won’t defend it by groveling back through history to find some vaguely similar action by a Democratic politician. I don’t know, maybe it’s because lawyers are biased towards thinking in terms of precedents and case law. Or maybe because he just doesn’t have any actual valid arguments. As a lawyer, he doesn’t want arguments that are actually valid. He wants arguments that convince people. Most people don’t bother to think too hard about his shit. Or evaluate if the thing he’s comparing something to is actually all that similar. He’s a car salesman on the prowl for a companion at the motel bar. He doesn’t need to be James Bond, he just has to be the most charming guy in the place. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/48 "2016-02-25T17:07:40Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > I hope you are not suggesting the Majority Leader lied when he said no Obama nominee will be considered, sir, because if so, it will be pistols at dawn. Better clean your pistol, because if Obama nominated a conservative judge, the GOP would flip-flop and confirm him or her. The point is that Obama isn’t going to nominate someone who the GOP wants, and he hasn’t done so with this trial balloon about the RINO. He is playing politics, as mentioned. If Obama thinks the GOP is bluffing, then he can nominate someone and we will see if they are or not. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/49 "2016-02-25T17:16:38Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > RINO You’re so cute when you demand orthodoxy for the ignorant racist moron club you vote for to make the country worse. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/50 "2016-02-25T17:19:25Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I hate this thing that people do on the Dope. “Oh, the Repubs are not wrong because the Dems did this before.” Who the fuck cares? Go make your own thread about what the Dems did before (or vice versa). Right now we are talking about today’s issues and bringing up the old ones is just a way of deflecting the new ones. What it shows is that this entire discussion and up in arms vapors having is disingenuous partisanship at best. If you don’t think that this would be done by the Dems in the reverse, you are as partisan and politically informed as **Clothahump** or absolutely anacephalic (neither of those are mutually exclusive). Joe Biden, as a Senator, said the Dems would do it… end scene. All the hand waving and excuse making and parsing in the world will not change that. It’s the same politics, left and right, Dem and Pub. All same monkeys flinging the same poo. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/51 "2016-02-25T17:20:01Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Getting someone to float a trial balloon about it is another thing. Obama and the Dems get the benefit without any of the drawbacks of actually doing anything, or putting forward a real nominee. I agree. In addition to possibly getting the Republicans to back off their “no appointments by Obama” stance, he gets to look bipartisan and make the Republicans look obstructionist. The only way I can see it backfiring is if a whole bunch of other Democrats sign on and he gets pressured into actually doing it. But that seems unlikely based on the early going. Harry Reid spoke of it positively, as above, but that’s in part home-state loyalty. > [@Sitnam](#): > > Falling for what? I agree with your assessment, but a political party looks foolish by not even considering confirming one of their own so that’s on them. I agree that they look foolish. But you have to deal with the hand you have, and it may be the best they can do in that circumstance. Declaring that they would not consider an Obama nominee and then immediately reversing themselves to say “except if it’s a Republican” looks even more foolish and makes it hard to pretend to have some sort of principled stance about lame duck nominations. > [@Anaamika](#): > > I hate this thing that people do on the Dope. “Oh, the Repubs are not wrong because the Dems did this before.” Who the fuck cares? Go make your own thread about what the Dems did before (or vice versa). Right now we are talking about today’s issues and bringing up the old ones is just a way of deflecting the new ones. That’s not how politics or government work. In this case, the Republicans are perfectly within their constitutional roles to refuse to consider any Obama nominee ever. The reason to not do this is because it’s a break from the way things are done and undermines the functioning of government. But if it’s not a break from the way things are done, that that’s very different. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/52 "2016-02-25T17:24:05Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > What it shows is that this entire discussion and up in arms vapors having is disingenuous partisanship at best. > > If you don’t think that this would be done by the Dems in the reverse, you are as partisan and politically informed as **Clothahump** or absolutely anacephalic (neither of those are mutually exclusive). They haven’t, and because of the nature of progressives, I doubt they would. > [@](#): > > Joe Biden, as a Senator, said the Dems would do it… end scene. All the hand waving and excuse making and parsing in the world will not change that. You’re either unable to read for comprehension, or incapable of the level of comprehension required. > [@](#): > > It’s the same politics, left and right, Dem and Pub. All same monkeys flinging the same poo. You’re mentally lazy, so you’ve come up with a dodge so you don’t have to think critically about the issue. Don’t revel in your shortcomings. At least be embarrassed about them. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/53 "2016-02-25T17:26:47Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > They haven’t, and because of the nature of progressives, I doubt they would. > > You’re either unable to read for comprehension, or incapable of the level of comprehension required. > > You’re mentally lazy, so you’ve come up with a dodge so you don’t have to think critically about the issue. Don’t revel in your shortcomings. At least be embarrassed about them. “Nature of progressives” I think I just choked on my coffee… You’re so entirely full of shit that your hubris is fashioned of mushrooms. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/54 "2016-02-25T17:29:23Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > You’re so entirely full of shit that your hubris is fashioned of mushrooms. Yet you’re the stupid asshole that thinks, against all odds, it’s all the same. And who reads Biden’s comments as the same, when they are clearly very different. It’s okay to be simple. The world needs empty heads for tedious jobs. You shouldn’t however, intrude in the conversations of those who aren’t when you are incapable or unwilling to do the homework. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/55 "2016-02-25T17:33:44Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You’re so cute when you demand orthodoxy for the ignorant racist moron club you vote for to make the country worse. Shut up, troll. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/56 "2016-02-25T17:35:25Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Yet you’re the stupid asshole that thinks, against all odds, it’s all the same. And who reads Biden’s comments as the same, when they are clearly very different. > > It’s okay to be simple. The world needs empty heads for tedious jobs. > > You shouldn’t however, intrude in the conversations of those who aren’t when you are incapable or unwilling to do the homework. You’re an idiot. You’re the **Clothy** of the “progressives”. Duly noted. Lobohump it is. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/57 "2016-02-25T17:36:22Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > “Nature of progressives” I think I just choked on my coffee… Since you edited your post to add that, allow me to explain: Progressives want fair shakes. They want equal opportunity. They want more people to vote. For voting to be easy. And for taxes, and tax money to be distributed in a more equitable manner. People who are all about enhancing fairness, are less likely to line up and cheer a disingenuous cunt talking about how the next president should choose a replacement for Scalia, when clearly that’s rubbish. I’m not saying that progressives are necessarily more honest, mind you. Just that they are less likely to line up behind such a shitty thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/58 "2016-02-25T17:38:30Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Since you edited your post to add that, allow me to explain: > > Progressives want fair shakes. They want equal opportunity. They want more people to vote. For voting to be easy. And for taxes, and tax money to be distributed in a more equitable manner. > > People who are all about enhancing fairness, are less likely to line up and cheer a disingenuous cunt talking about how the next president should choose a replacement for Scalia, when clearly that’s rubbish. > > I’m not saying that progressives are necessarily more honest, mind you. Just that they are less likely to line up behind such a shitty thing to do. as deluded as Clothy too… the arnold schwarzenegger and danny devito of the Dope… can’t tell which is which though ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/59 "2016-02-25T17:39:04Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > You’re an idiot. You’re are the Clothy of the “progressives”. Duly noted. Lobohump it is. You can’t argue, so you attack. I can’t make you learn, I can only try to explain it such that even a marginal talent like you can handle it. \<3 ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/60 "2016-02-25T17:40:10Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You can’t argue, so you attack. I can’t make you learn, I can only try to explain it such that even a marginal talent like you can handle it. > > \<3 OK \ Toddle off to bed now Loby. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019.md?page=4)