# Republicans Immediately Reject Idea of Republican Supreme Court Nominee **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 24, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019 "2016-02-24T20:57:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/81 "2016-02-25T20:00:17Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > “Nuh-uh” is not a compelling argument. I offered examples and asked for counterexamples. Convince me. Convince you of what? That you are partisan to your ideological ideals? Yeah that’s winnable. I’m pretty sure that you aren’t new to the Dope. Self recognition of your partisanship would be more the goal but even that is nigh impossible. I’m not trying to convince you. Hell, _I’m_ partisan to my own ideologies, but, at the very least, I am capable of recognizing that. My original reply was to someone’s wondering why people need to play the tu quoque game. My response is that the tu quoque game is played because the offense and pearl clutching of this very thread is disingenuous and reflective of one’s own personal political ideology. There are plenty of examples, in this thread on both sides, of that activity. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/82 "2016-02-25T20:10:44Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I hate this thing that people do on the Dope. “Oh, the Repubs are not wrong because the Dems did this before.” Who the fuck cares? Go make your own thread about what the Dems did before (or vice versa). Right now we are talking about today’s issues and bringing up the old ones is just a way of deflecting the new ones. Because it comes across as hypocritical. The OP was started because on the surface the GOP looks stupid but upon a deeper review the Dems and the GOP are politically fencing. I think it’s mildly dirty pool for the GOP to refuse to accept a nomination by Obama but it makes perfect (political) sense. I would expect nothing different were the roles reversed. I think it’s mildly dirty pool for the Obama camp to float a centrist GOP nomination but it makes perfect (political) sense. I would expect nothing different were the roles reversed. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/83 "2016-02-25T20:12:22Z")
At any rate, Sandoval has taken his name out of consideration, so we won’t get to find out what would have happened. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/84 "2016-02-25T21:09:08Z")
You know, every time I read a thread like this it makes me a lot more positive about the next superpower taking over - circle of life and all that shit, wrote large. Britain had its time as the superpower, then became a massively self entitled brat of a nation, time for a change. The US came along, had its stint, then the same outcome…time for someone else. Might be India, probably China, doesn’t really matter, just get someone new in charge if only to stop this level of bickering and infighting. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/85 "2016-02-25T21:23:35Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Because to my eyes, Biden’s commentary is reasonably close to the current Senate sentiment. I could just as easily speculate that his supposed willingness to consider (your #3) arose from the hypothetical nature of the situation he faced. After all, he was clearly signaling his intent that such a nomination would be inappropriate – otherwise, why say anything? To announce that the Senate would consider a nominee is hardly news. Right? What was his message? If you don’t cherry-pick the parts you like, the message is very clear to understand. > [@](#): > > “Therefore I stand by my position, Mr. President, if the President [George H.W. Bush] consults and cooperates with the Senate or moderates his selections absent consultation, then his nominees may enjoy my support as did Justices Kennedy and Souter.” He’s inviting the president to select a moderate nominee, and reminding him that the Senate has full authority to reject anyone they don’t like. That’s really a far cry from the Republicans saying “don’t even bother.” ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/86 "2016-02-25T21:30:04Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I stand by what I said. Which was not that you said “the worst members of the human race are represented by Republicans”, but that this was the implication of what you said. Actually, that was your _inference_. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/87 "2016-02-25T21:33:58Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > At any rate, Sandoval has taken his name out of consideration, so we won’t get to find out what would have happened. We’ve already seen what is happening, and will continue to happen - Obama and the Dems and the GOP are playing politics with the nomination. And all the talk about how one side is all high-minded and the other unutterably nasty is self-serving and hypocritical. Nobody on either side is arguing on principle, and it is the usual mix of laughable and grotesque when anyone claims they are. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/88 "2016-02-25T21:40:31Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > We’ve already seen what is happening, and will continue to happen - Obama and the Dems and the GOP are playing politics with the nomination. And all the talk about how one side is all high-minded and the other unutterably nasty is self-serving and hypocritical. > > Nobody on either side is arguing on principle, and it is the usual mix of laughable and grotesque when anyone claims they are. > > Regards, > Shodan Dems: Obama has the constitutional right to name a nominee. GOP: Fuck you 0bamazazi! Shodan: Both sides are the same. Lobohan: Shodan is kinda dumb. Furious: Both sides are teh same!111 ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/89 "2016-02-25T21:40:52Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > He’s inviting the president to select a moderate nominee, and reminding him that the Senate has full authority to reject anyone they don’t like. That’s really a far cry from the Republicans saying “don’t even bother.” Do you really believe that if Obama nominated **Bricker** or another conservative to the Supreme Court, that the Republicans would say no automagically? It’s functionally the same statement. Heavier posturing? Sure. Functionally? The same thing. It boils down to nominate someone we like or don’t bother. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/90 "2016-02-25T21:43:58Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > Do you really believe that if Obama nominated **Bricker** or another conservative to the Supreme Court, that the Republicans would say no automagically? It’s functionally the same statement. Heavier posturing? Sure. Functionally? The same thing. It boils down to nominate someone we like or don’t bother. So they’re lying? When they \*say \*they won’t bring any nominee to the floor, and specifically, further clarifying, won’t bring a Republican up for approval, they’re just lying? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/91 "2016-02-25T21:46:20Z")
> [@bup](#): > > So they’re lying? When they \*say \*they won’t bring any nominee to the floor, and specifically, further clarifying, won’t bring a Republican up for approval, they’re just lying? And furthermore, when the Dems don’t do that, it’s the same exact thing, because Furious can’t be bothered to learn things, or educate himself, so they must, you see, be the same. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/92 "2016-02-25T21:46:30Z")
> [@bup](#): > > So they’re lying? When they \*say \*they won’t bring any nominee to the floor, and specifically, further clarifying, won’t bring a Republican up for approval, they’re just lying? You can call it lying. You can call it posturing. You can call it a country hoedown starring the corpse of Fred Thompson. I don’t give it shit. It’s the same basic intent. Give us who we want or we will fuck up your shit. You are familiar with politicians and politics, right? ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/93 "2016-02-25T21:48:09Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > And furthermore, when the Dems don’t do that, it’s the same exact thing, because Furious can’t be bothered to learn things, or educate himself, so they must, you see, be the same. This OCD/Tourette’s thing you got going is pretty sweet to watch in an "Oh. bless your heart… " kind of way. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/94 "2016-02-25T21:53:51Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > This OCD/Tourette’s thing you got going is pretty sweet to watch in an "Oh. bless your heart… " kind of way. Let’s be clear, you don’t know what you’re talking about, and your ignorance isn’t the same thing as knowledge. I get it, you are wedded to the idea that things are equal. But it’s just not true. And attacking me, when you’re the one spouting nonsense, doesn’t make it so. You’re factually wrong. End of line. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/95 "2016-02-25T21:54:44Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > You can call it lying. You can call it posturing. You can call it a country hoedown starring the corpse of Fred Thompson. I don’t give it shit. It’s the same basic intent. Give us who we want or we will fuck up your shit. > > You are familiar with politicians and politics, right? I can “call it lying.” Thanks! I choose to, because intentionally saying X when you know it’s not true, with the intent of convincing people X _is_ true, happens to be the definition of lying. Pretend it’s ‘politics’ or ‘posturing’ but it’s over a line. Whaddyagonnado? Both sides do it all the same, amirite? Very reasonable. I totes accept you’re arguing in good faith. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/96 "2016-02-25T21:56:06Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Let’s be clear, you don’t know what you’re talking about, and your ignorance isn’t the same thing as knowledge. > > I get it, you are wedded to the idea that things are equal. But it’s just not true. And attacking me, when you’re the one spouting nonsense, doesn’t make it so. You’re factually wrong. End of line. OK Loby… \ ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/97 "2016-02-25T21:57:27Z")
> [@bup](#): > > I can “call it lying.” Thanks! > > I choose to, because intentionally saying X when you know it’s not true, with the intent of convincing people X _is_ true, happens to be the definition of lying. > > Pretend it’s ‘politics’ or ‘posturing’ but it’s over a line. > > Whaddyagonnado? Both sides do it all the same, amirite? > > Very reasonable. I totes accept you’re arguing in good faith. \ Your call big boy. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/98 "2016-02-25T21:57:45Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > OK Loby… \ \Even though you’re a dumbshit, doesn’t mean we can’t snuggle. \<3 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/99 "2016-02-25T22:01:04Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > We’ve already seen what is happening, and will continue to happen - Obama and the Dems and the GOP are playing politics with the nomination. And all the talk about how one side is all high-minded and the other unutterably nasty is self-serving and hypocritical. > > Nobody on either side is arguing on principle, and it is the usual mix of laughable and grotesque when anyone claims they are. > > Regards, > Shodan It’s all politics, as always, but not equally legitimate, IMO. One side is advocating for following the Constitution, in both letter and spirit, and one side is publicly ignoring the spirit. If the Republicans played it differently, by announcing that they would consider the nominee, but in secret agreeing in advance to vote down any nominee, then, at least publicly, they would be adhering to both the letter and spirit of the Constitution. But they’re not. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019/100 "2016-02-25T23:01:56Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > Do you really believe that if Obama nominated **Bricker** or another conservative to the Supreme Court, that the Republicans would say no automagically? Well, given that they just rejected the Republican governor of Nevada, and this kind of obstructionism is consistent with all their past behavior. I’d have to say that reality trumps your hypothetical. > [@](#): > > It’s functionally the same statement. Heavier posturing? Sure. Functionally? The same thing. It boils down to nominate someone we like or don’t bother. They said nothing about “nominate someone we like”. That’s your own invention. What are they going to do, reverse their position and say “Sorry, all that principled stuff we said about historical precedent and lame duck presidents was all just bullshit”? The Republicans have a history of painting themselves into a corner with extreme obstructionist tactics that backfire on them. I see no evidence that they have suddenly wised up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-immediately-reject-idea-of-republican-supreme-court-nominee/747019.md?page=6)