# Republicans pushing a mandatory stealth National ID card?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-pushing-a-mandatory-stealth-national-id-card/302502>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [May 5, 2005, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-pushing-a-mandatory-stealth-national-id-card/302502 "2005-05-05T06:18:48Z")\
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**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2005, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-pushing-a-mandatory-stealth-national-id-card/302502/61 "2005-05-09T19:31:38Z")

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…so they’ll be forced to resort to _stealing_ vehicles instead.

That’s an improvement?

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2005, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-pushing-a-mandatory-stealth-national-id-card/302502/62 "2005-05-09T20:28:20Z")

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> [@rjung](#):
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> …so they’ll be forced to resort to _stealing_ vehicles instead.
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> That’s an improvement?

It is if it makes them easier to catch.

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**Author:** ![drewbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drewbert/32/15890_2.png) [@drewbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewbert)\
**Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-pushing-a-mandatory-stealth-national-id-card/302502/63 "2005-05-10T03:41:28Z")

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This is either another, unrelated problem with the bill or possibly just tin-foil hattery, and I’m not knowledgable enough to know which:

> **[Does the Real ID act contain a Constitution-busting Trojan horse?](https://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2005/05/4886-2/)**
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> The national ID card aspect of the Real ID act is big news, but all of the …

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**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2005, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-pushing-a-mandatory-stealth-national-id-card/302502/64 "2005-05-11T06:02:32Z")

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News update: The Iraq spending bill with the “Real ID” act has [passed in the Senate,](http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5702505.html) 100-0.

Rumors are circulating that before the vote, Karl Rove was wandering around the Senate floor, playing an audio tape that went, “Your Senator voted _against_ funding the troops in Iraq… Your Senator voted _against_ funding the troops in Iraq…”

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**Author:** ![EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilHamsterOnCrack)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2005, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-pushing-a-mandatory-stealth-national-id-card/302502/65 "2005-05-11T11:09:19Z")

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> [@Eva Luna](#):
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> You could always get a new certified copy of your birth certificate.

Not if you can’t. My dad was born in Iran. Lets just say that in Iran, 50 years ago, records aren’t as great as they are now (hell, I’m sure they’re still pretty bad). He’s lived here in the US for 16 years, prior to that lived in Israel for over 30 years, theres no way he’s getting a birth certificate. Is he now supposed to stop driving?

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