# Republicans' war on transgender people: Omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609 "2022-06-03T02:20:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 103
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/2042 "2025-09-18T16:05:21Z")
Why does the service have to be military? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/2043 "2025-09-18T16:19:59Z")
The Mormons send their young men overseas to do missionary work. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/2044 "2025-09-18T16:23:43Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Why does the service have to be military? My understanding is that some countries which have mandatory conscription (such as Switzerland and Israel) offer non-military options, at least for conscientious objectors. ---
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> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > There was a time when we put them in the army between the ages of 18 and 20. Do you think that might help? Make them better shots? Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Do any of you people know who Charles Whitman was? None of you dumbasses knows? Private Cowboy? Private Cowboy: Sir, he was that guy who shot all those people from that tower in Austin, Texas, sir! Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: That’s affirmative. Charles Whitman killed twelve people from a twenty-eight-story observation tower at the University of Texas from distances up to four hundred yards. Anybody know who Lee Harvey Oswald was? Private Snowball? Private Snowball: Sir, he shot Kennedy, sir! Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: That’s right, and do you know how far away he was? Private Snowball: Sir, it was pretty far! From that book suppository building, sir! Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: All right, knock it off! Two hundred and fifty feet! He was two hundred and fifty feet away and shooting at a moving target. Oswald got off three rounds with an old Italian bolt action rifle in only six seconds and scored two hits, including a head shot! Do any of you people know where these individuals learned to shoot? Private Joker? Private Joker: Sir, in the Marines, sir! Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: In the Marines! Outstanding! Those individuals showed what one motivated marine and his rifle can do! And before you ladies leave my island, you will be able to do the same thing! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/2046 "2025-09-18T16:31:40Z")
We don’t have any kind of mandatory service here, but there are plenty of labour-intensive jobs young people do in our Public Works department as a job creation and skills programme- clear alien vegetation, rehabilitate wetlands, roadworks, that kind of thing. People get paid but a bit below minimum wage - they’re also housed and fed on a lot of the various programmes. Seems like the US could use something like that, in forestry management and other disaster prevention infrastructure work. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/2047 "2025-09-18T16:32:14Z")
How does that help the US? ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/2048 "2025-09-18T16:46:14Z")
It gets Mormons out of the country? ---
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Yes, and it did, starting under George W. Bush: AmeriCorps. Unfortunately it has been defunded, under, you guessed it, ~~Obama~~ Trump. > **[AmeriCorps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmeriCorps)** > > AmeriCorps (/əˈmɛrɪkɔːr/ ə-MERR-ih-kor\[citation needed\]; officially the Corporation for National and Community Service or CNCS) is an independent agency of the United States government that engages more than five million Americans in service through a variety of stipended volunteer work programs in many sectors. These programs include AmeriCorps VISTA, AmeriCorps NCCC, AmeriCorps State and National, AmeriCorps Seniors, the Volunteer Generation Fund, and other national service initiatives. The Am... `//i\\` ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/2050 "2025-09-18T17:45:55Z")
Not Bush, it was President Clinton who established the corporation for public service. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/2051 "2025-09-18T18:26:42Z")
Nancy Mace being her, usual, wonderful self, [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/k8KIv5FSol0/maxresdefault.jpg ""I'm a woman. Are you a woman?"") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8KIv5FSol0) ---
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The law that got the ball rolling, so to speak, was signed by Bush, but the H one, not the W (my mistake). So it does predate Clinton, though not by much. `//i\\` ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/2053 "2025-09-18T18:56:23Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > The Mormons send their young men overseas to do missionary work. Arguably, they are exporting their problems until the rough edges are knocked off. Might be good for Utah, for other people not so much. Although the recent events demonstrate that clearly Utah still has problem children prone to violence. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/2054 "2025-09-18T21:44:19Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > How does that help the US? It keeps their young men busy in an extremely ordered environment until they are slightly older men. We were talking about: > [@JKellyMap](#): > > Absolutely. You might have heard the (not serious, but interesting) thought experiment that, if we could put all male humans in cryogenic suspension from age 16 to 26, the world would be a much, much safer (and just) place. Missionary work isn’t exactly cryogenics, but they are pretty tightly supervised. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/2055 "2025-09-18T22:10:30Z")
You might be thinking of Bush’s Points of light. But it was Clinton’s Americorps legislation he signed in 1993 that built on that earlier effort for volunteer national service. > **[Learning to Serve, Serving to Learn: AmeriCorps During the Clinton...](https://www.clintonlibrary.gov/museum/online-exhibits/learning-serve-serving-learn-americorps-during-clinton-administration)** ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2025, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/2056 "2025-09-19T02:41:26Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Seems like the US could use something like that, in forestry management and other disaster prevention infrastructure work. Way back under President Franklin D. Roosevelt during the Depression we had the Civilian Conservation Corps doing stuff like that. > **[Civilian Conservation Corps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps)** > > The Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) was a voluntary government work relief program that ran from 1933 to 1942 in the United States for unemployed, unmarried men ages 18–25 and eventually expanded to ages 17–28. The CCC was a major part of President Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal that supplied manual labor jobs related to the conservation and development of natural resources in rural lands owned by federal, state, and local governments. The CCC was designed to supply jobs for young men and ... ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2025, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/2057 "2025-09-19T05:42:10Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > It keeps their young men busy in an extremely ordered environment That doesn’t sound like mission work to me - I see LDS missionaries here, they’re just moving about on the streets, like. Not completely isolated from other people at all. If they did decide to overdose on testosterone or whatever the fear of 16-26 males is, they would still be able to harm others. I thought that JKM’s point was to contain them _away_ from society (_My_ point was do that _and_ get some useful work out of them)? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2025, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/2058 "2025-09-19T10:44:42Z")
My understanding is that they work in pairs, and are allowed almost no time to themselves. I wasn’t making any claims about it being useful, as i was comparing to cryogenics. But i think the Mormons believe that mission work is worth something. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2025, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/2059 "2025-09-19T12:12:49Z")
Yep. LDS missionaries are never allowed to be alone during their missions (outside of bathroom breaks). They travel in pairs. They have a list of tasks to accomplish each day and it takes up pretty much all of their time. It’s a very controlled situation with a ton of rules. The communications they’re permitted are tightly controlled. I think the internet is forbidden. If they’re being indoctrinated it’s solely in LDS ideology, they aren’t be radicalized by, oh, Al Qaeda or the KKK. There are numerous former LDS on line who go into considerable detail about their mission work. ---
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The Trump regime is moving to eliminate _rape_ protections for trans, intersex, and gender non-conforming people in jails and prisons. > **[Trump administration plans to end prison rape protections for trans and...](https://prismreports.org/2025/12/04/prison-rape-elimination-act-trans-intersex-trump-doj/)** > > A Department of Justice memo says certain standards under the Prison Rape Elimination Act do not align with Trump’s executive order ---
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