# Republicans' war on transgender people: Omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609 "2022-06-03T02:20:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/201 "2022-07-01T14:34:38Z")
As I understand it, most schools don’t actually have “boys’ teams” and “girls’ teams”. They have “regular sports teams”, that take anyone who can get through the tryouts, and “girls’ teams”, for only girls. Occasionally it does happen that an extraordinary girl manages to qualify for the regular team, but in the vast majority of cases, it’s the physiological differences between the sexes that prevents it, not any regulation. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/202 "2022-07-01T14:41:17Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > As I understand it, most schools don’t actually have “boys’ teams” and “girls’ teams”. They have “regular sports teams”, that take anyone who can get through the tryouts, and “girls’ teams”, for only girls. Where is this? I’ve never heard of this _at all._ Even the girls’ national record holders would compete on a girls’ team (or against individual girls once they’re moved beyond team competition) at all levels. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/203 "2022-07-01T14:41:52Z")
My school had boys and girls teams who would practice and play separately. Varsity boys, junior varsity boys, varsity girls, junior varsity girls. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/204 "2022-07-01T15:40:58Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Where is this? I’ve never heard of this _at all._ I think what Chronos was getting at may have been [this sort of Title IX requirement for allowing girls on boys’ teams versus vice versa:](https://www.nfhs.org/articles/title-ix-compliance-part-iv-frequently-asked-questions/) > [@](#): > > FAQ: Our school offers soccer for boys, but not for girls. Does Title IX require that we allow girls to play on the boys team? > Answer: Title IX requires that in sports where a girls team is not offered, girls must be allowed to try out for the boys team and participate on the same basis as boys. This does not mean that a girl automatically gets to be on the team. She has to try out and make the team on the same basis as any boy would have to try out and make the team. She can also be cut from the team, but only on the same basis as a boy could be cut from the team – for an objectively verifiable lack of ability or a lack of size, strength, skill and experience making participation unsafe. > > FAQ: Our school offers volleyball for girls, but not for boys. Does Title IX require that we allow boys to play on the girls team? > Answer: No. Although there have been a few, isolated lawsuits where boys have obtained injunctions to allow them to participate on a girls team for which their schools offered no same-sport equivalent for boys, the courts generally rule that the purpose of Title IX is to remedy past inequities of athletics opportunity for the historically under-represented gender – females – and that if boys are allowed to participate on girls teams, they will because of height, weight and strength advantages come to dominate the membership of those teams, and thereby decrease the competitive opportunities for women. Therefore, in the vast majority of cases, the courts have not permitted boys to play on girls teams, even if there is not a same-sport boys team. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/205 "2022-07-01T15:54:02Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I think what Chronos was getting at may have been [this sort of Title IX requirement for allowing girls on boys’ teams versus vice versa:](https://www.nfhs.org/articles/title-ix-compliance-part-iv-frequently-asked-questions/) - But that’s nowhere near that “most schools don’t actually have boys teams and girls teams”. At least in the school I coach at, there was exactly one girl who tried out for a boys team. She made the football team as a kicker. No surprise there, she was an excellent track athlete and an absolute _beast_ in workouts. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/206 "2022-07-01T16:04:46Z")
Ah, OK, so if the school has football, and doesn’t have a specifically girls’ football team, then a girl is allowed to play on the football team (provided she demonstrates sufficient ability in the tryouts, which she probably won’t). But if the school has both boys’ basketball and girls’ basketball, then a girl is not allowed to play on the boys’ team, no matter how good she is, only on the girls’ team. Is that correct? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/207 "2022-07-01T16:05:12Z")
Pretty much. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/208 "2022-07-01T17:18:55Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > But if the school has both boys’ basketball and girls’ basketball, then a girl is not allowed to play on the boys’ team, no matter how good she is, only on the girls’ team. Is that correct? I believe that was the case at my high school. That was 30 years ago, though. They were explicitly called Boys and Girls teams also. Funny enough, in high school I played in a soccer league that wasn’t associated with the schools, and it allowed a gender mix. I remember this well because in one game the opposing team’s goalie was a girl and one of our strikers kept flirting with her which pissed off the rest of us; we just wanted to win the damn game. I guess he was trying to play a different game. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/209 "2022-07-01T17:42:01Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > one of our strikers kept flirting with her which pissed off the rest of us; we just wanted to win the damn game That’s why this rule was invented: > **[Offside (association football)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offside_(association_football))** > > Offside is one of the laws in association football, codified in Law 11 of the Laws of the Game. The law states that a player is in an offside position if any of their body parts, except the hands and arms, are in the opponents' half of the pitch, and closer to the opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent (the last opponent is usually, but not necessarily, the goalkeeper). > Being in an offside position is not an offence in itself, but a player so positioned when the ... ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/210 "2022-07-01T17:53:35Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@Chronos](#): > > > > But if the school has both boys’ basketball and girls’ basketball, then a girl is not allowed to play on the boys’ team, no matter how good she is, only on the girls’ team. Is that correct? > > I believe that was the case at my high school. That was 30 years ago, though. > > They were explicitly called Boys and Girls teams also. > > Funny enough, in high school I played in a soccer league that wasn’t associated with the schools, and it allowed a gender mix. I remember this well because in one game the opposing team’s goalie was a girl and one of our strikers kept flirting with her which pissed off the rest of us; we just wanted to win the damn game. > > I guess he was trying to play a different game. - Not really, he was attempting to score. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/211 "2022-07-01T19:06:46Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Not really, he was attempting to score. True, and that’s the main job of the striker; score on the goalie. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/212 "2022-07-03T07:22:47Z")
They catch her with her backfield in motion? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2022, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/213 "2022-07-10T10:58:40Z")
> **[Transgender Butler County man says group beat him up over restroom use](https://www.fox19.com/2022/07/08/transgender-butler-county-man-says-group-beat-him-up-using-wrong-restroom/)** > > The man wants criminal charges filed against his alleged assaulters. Trans man was told to use the women’s room by a business owner. Then he was beaten by three cis men after a woman freaked out believing he was a transgender woman. Then the cops arrested him (the victim). This is what trans haters want. They want trans people scared and brutalized. They don’t actually care about bathrooms. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2022, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/214 "2022-07-10T11:10:04Z")
Who could have possibly predicted this exact outcome if the Right had their way on the bathroom issue? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2022, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/215 "2022-07-10T11:29:54Z")
I miss having red font. (On another chat site, we used to use red font for posts like that. Now, while technically possible, it’s too hard.) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2022, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/216 "2022-07-10T13:47:24Z")
I miss being able to do red strikethroughs and blue “{…}”. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2022, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/217 "2022-07-10T13:56:00Z")
This works fairly well, I’d say @crowmanyclouds: ~~and this works for at least half of what you mentioned.~~ ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/218 "2022-07-10T14:25:54Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > {…} Not _that_ bad, and it doesn’t slow the page load like the math plug-in does (for me at least). ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/219 "2022-07-10T17:23:33Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Trans man was told to use the women’s room by a business owner. Then he was beaten by three cis men after a woman freaked out believing he was a transgender woman. Then the cops arrested him (the victim). If the feds got involved, that’s a hate crime up to 10 years in prison. > **[18 U.S. Code § 249 - Hate crime acts](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/249)** Not sure if there’s jurisdiction though. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2022, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/220 "2022-07-11T02:59:34Z")
They’re so hepped up on “defending women” they beat the living hell out of someone they consider to be a woman? Yeah, that parses. Good Lord! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=12)