# Republicans' war on transgender people: Omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609 "2022-06-03T02:20:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/21 "2022-06-03T15:41:00Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > Why wouldn’t they? Because they wouldn’t be able to find a doctor in the United States to do the surgery, for one. > [@filmore](#): > > I’m sure some teens will get genital reassignment surgery. You are sure? Would you care to put a number to that “some”? > [@filmore](#): > > Teens do all kinds of things to their bodies. Yeah, sometimes they fake an ID and get a tattoo. This is a bit different. > [@filmore](#): > > And if they’re not doing it, then prohibiting it shouldn’t be a big deal. It pretty much is prohibited in that a doctor in the US would lose their license if they performed gender reassignment surgery on a minor outside of some extreme extenuating circumstances. There is also not a specific law that states that a minor can’t seek out a doctor to remove their pinky toe, even though they would never find one willing to do so. Do you advocate as strongly against that as you do against this surgery that isn’t done? What other things that aren’t done do you think it shouldn’t be a big deal to specifically prohibit? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/22 "2022-06-03T15:43:55Z")
It’s not really hijinks when college boys are doing it. But it’s something far, far worse when it’s people in authority doing it. (actual authority, not plastic badge authority.) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/23 "2022-06-03T15:57:04Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > And if they’re not doing it, then prohibiting it shouldn’t be a big deal. Let’s try an experiment. Let’s say that Ed Zotti posts an announcement in ATMB and makes it a sticky. The announcement says, “From this point further, filmore is no longer allowed to say disparaging things about women, glorify rape, slander people of various races, advocate for conspiracy theories about 9/11 and election fraud, spread antisemitic propaganda, and shame people in the LGBTQ+ community.” You’re already not doing any of those things, so such an announcement placed as a sticky on the board for everyone wouldn’t bother you at all, right? No harm done. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/24 "2022-06-03T16:06:35Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > It pretty much is prohibited in that a doctor in the US would lose their license if they performed gender reassignment surgery on a minor outside of some extreme extenuating circumstances. > > There is also not a specific law that states that a minor can’t seek out a doctor to remove their pinky toe, even though they would never find one willing to do so. Do you advocate as strongly against that as you do against this surgery that isn’t done? How do the laws prevent a doctor from doing genital reassignment surgery but allow them to do breast reduction and hormone treatments? It seems like genital reassignment surgery is in line with the other treatments. As for the pinky toe removal, there’s not a community of people encouraging pinky toe removal. Perhaps a more accurate analogy would be the deaf community promoting hearing loss surgery. That may be the right choice for some people, but it’s a big decision that should be made when someone is more mature. Kids often are very passionate about desires that fade as they get older. For things like breast reduction and hormone treatment, it’s no big deal either way and it greatly helps in how the world sees them. Genital surgery is more personal and the world generally won’t know either way, so I don’t see it as as much of a critical treatment for a teen. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/25 "2022-06-03T16:08:39Z")
Why are you spending so much time worrying about this? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/26 "2022-06-03T16:12:07Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > The announcement says, “From this point further, filmore is no longer allowed to say disparaging things about women, glorify rape, slander people of various races, advocate for conspiracy theories about 9/11 and election fraud, spread antisemitic propaganda, and shame people in the LGBTQ+ community.” I just want to know when @filmore [stopped beating his wife](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question). ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/27 "2022-06-03T16:12:50Z")
No, CardboardBoxx is in fact fucking scum. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/28 "2022-06-03T16:13:08Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Ohio is trying to pass legislation [requiring any student, at any time, to submit to an unwanted inspection of their internal and external reproductive anatomy](https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/politics/ohio-politics/ohio-gop-passes-bill-aiming-to-root-out-suspected-transgender-female-athletes-through-genital-inspection) There doesn’t seem to be any constraints on who can make the challenge either. I wonder how long it will take for someone to make a mockery of the law by challenging the gender of the entire football team. Will they force these boys to have their genitals inspected? Or will they refuse to comply with the law and say “oh, you know who we mean” ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/29 "2022-06-03T16:13:18Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > How do the laws prevent a doctor from doing genital reassignment surgery but allow them to do breast reduction and hormone treatments? Because doctors are not, and should not be, controlled by laws made by politicians, but by the medical community that releases guidelines and standards. The guidelines and standards for doctors in the US is not to do genital surgery for gender reassignment on minors. Somehow, they manage to not fall into whatever hypocrisy trap that you think you have so cleverly concocted. > [@filmore](#): > > As for the pinky toe removal, there’s not a community of people encouraging pinky toe removal. And there _is_ a community of people encouraging genital reassignment surgery on minors? > [@filmore](#): > > Genital surgery is more personal and the world generally won’t know either way, so I don’t see it as as much of a critical treatment for a teen. You are making much weeping and gnashing of teeth about a practice that is not done. Is there a reason for this? Are you actually this ignorant, or are you willfully ignorant and doing your best to spread it? ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/30 "2022-06-03T16:15:07Z")
This is the typical transphobic line of argument. “Let’s make up something that’s obviously undesirable and that isn’t actually happening, and claim that it is happening and that our opponents are OK with it”. ---
**Author:** ![Mikkel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikkel/32/13151_2.png) [@Mikkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikkel)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/31 "2022-06-03T16:52:55Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > I think it makes sense to limit genital surgery until they are older. That is something which will have long-lasting consequences and is not reversible. At least it would stop circumcision 🙂 . As far as I know even hormone therapy is kept to puberty blockers. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/32 "2022-06-03T17:04:49Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > This is the typical transphobic line of argument. “Let’s make up something that’s obviously undesirable and that isn’t actually happening, and claim that it is happening and that our opponents are OK with it”. It’s one of the two standard Republican base-energizing formulaic lies. The other one is: “Let’s talk about something that is obviously undesirable and that **is** actually happening **because we are doing it** , and make outraged allegations that our opponents are doing it.” ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/33 "2022-06-03T17:32:08Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > Perhaps a more accurate analogy would be the deaf community promoting hearing loss surgery. That may be the right choice for some people, but it’s a big decision that should be made when someone is more mature. Kids often are very passionate about desires that fade as they get older. Cochlear implants for congenitally deaf children is thought to be best done before the age of three. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/34 "2022-06-03T17:32:40Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > You are making much weeping and gnashing of teeth about a practice that is not done. Is there a reason for this? Are you actually this ignorant, or are you willfully ignorant and doing your best to spread it? I’m just a normal person. And like most people, I have a set of assumptions. If I’m wrong about this, then it behooves the trans community to spread the message that genital reassignment surgery does not happen before 18. Get the message out so that lots of normal people understand that trans therapies are more about hormone therapy and not genital reassignment surgery. I’m not a proxy for all people who believe this. Changing my mind won’t change anything in society. If I think this, then that’s indicative of a larger problem with messaging around trans issues. I’m sure it feels good, but the ad hominem attacks and insults aren’t a great way to go about informing people. And if it’s just “medical guidelines” that prevent this, I think it should be more formalized. There’s not a national “medical guidelines” that everyone has to conform to. If a specific medical community agrees that genital surgery in kids is okay, then it would be okay in that medical community. There are all different medical communities which promote vastly different medical treatments. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/35 "2022-06-03T17:34:18Z")
Oops. I just realized that this could be read as “promoting surgery to cure hearing loss”. I meant it as “promoting surgery to remove hearing ability”. For some people that would be the right thing, like someone with sensory issues. Being deaf could greatly improve their life. But for others, it might be something they are doing because they feel it’s right in the moment but not for the long term. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/36 "2022-06-03T17:34:32Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > If I’m wrong about this, then it behooves the trans community to spread the message that genital reassignment surgery does not happen before 18. “It’s all **your** fault that I’m willfully ignorant!!!” ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/37 "2022-06-03T17:35:07Z")
Exactly. Please shout this to the people going to the polls. I’m sure it will change how they vote. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/38 "2022-06-03T17:35:40Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > I’m just a normal person. And like most people, I have a set of assumptions. If I’m wrong about this, then it behooves the trans community to spread the message that genital reassignment surgery does not happen before 18. You’re ignorant about this, and credulously believed the lies spread by transphobic Republicans… but other people are to blame for the fact that you chose not to educate yourself before spouting off? Okay then. So again, when did you stop beating your wife? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/39 "2022-06-03T17:37:50Z")
“If the Jews don’t want people to think they bake their bread with the blood of Christian infants, why aren’t they making more of an effort to get their message out?” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/40 "2022-06-03T17:38:33Z")
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