# Republicans' war on transgender people: Omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609 "2022-06-03T02:20:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/381 "2023-02-04T08:34:55Z")
[nitpick] [Drag queens](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_(clothing)) are different than trans people. Drag is a performance. A trans person dressing in the clothing of their identified gender, as opposed to the one assigned at birth, is NOT in drag. Sorry, but accuracy is important, especially given how the Rabid Right likes to confuse distinctions and imply that trans people do not exist and it’s all an act. [/nitpick] ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/382 "2023-02-04T17:35:08Z")
re: Broomstick’s point about drag queens (and kings), yeah, similar to the distinction between male people who are femme versus the kink of getting turned on by being feminized. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/383 "2023-02-04T21:48:16Z")
I don’t think that should be a nitpick. I think it’s actually a very important distinction to make. Because while there may be some transphobia behind the laws, they aren’t targeting trans people. They’ve gone to some great lengths to define in a clumsy way the act of putting on a drag performance so that it doesn’t get conflated with a person who is trans or just chooses to dress in clothing not usually associated with their gender identity. I don’t at all think that they are trying to avoid bigotry, I think they are trying to not violate clear anti-bigotry laws while codifying a more narrow form of bigotry. I expect they hope that by highlighting the “performance” part of being a drag queen, they can avoid being targeted for civil rights violations. I don’t know if that will work. I think of it like… Let’s say a school is being run by bigots who don’t like people who are LGBTQ but can’t obviously target those kids. They instead see that they wear a lot of pride flag logo clothing and LGBTQ support buttons and the like. So they make a rule that kids can’t wear anything political to school. That gives them cover so they can act like they didn’t target a particular group of kids (since they are targeting _anything_ political) and it’s easier for them to pretend that they don’t have “undesirables” in the school if they don’t advertise. And if that makes some kids feel unwelcome that’s a bonus, because they _aren’t_ welcome. Unfortunately when you make laws that fight bigotry, that doesn’t make bigotry go away, it just makes bigots sneakier. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2023, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/384 "2023-02-05T19:08:25Z")
Wait… Despicable Me 2?! Oh hell no. You can have my Gruzinkerbell when you pry her from my cold, dead fingers. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2023, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/385 "2023-02-06T05:36:31Z")
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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2023, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/386 "2023-02-06T09:41:41Z")
Whatever this is supposed to be, all I see is a chance to login to Facebook. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2023, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/387 "2023-02-06T10:16:54Z")
Same. I don’t clink on blind links. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2023, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/388 "2023-02-06T11:51:36Z")
It took me to my facebook ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2023, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/389 "2023-02-06T13:56:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Whatever this is supposed to be, all I see is a chance to login to Facebook. I got linked to a FB post with this meme [![](https://cdn-images.imagevenue.com/c1/7a/af/ME15ZME5_o.png) ](https://cdn-images.imagevenue.com/c1/7a/af/ME15ZME5_o.png) I suppose it helped that I had FB open and logged on at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2023, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/390 "2023-02-06T23:21:05Z")
I can’t see that, either. Maybe describe it? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2023, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/391 "2023-02-06T23:34:00Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I think of it like… Let’s say a school is being run by bigots who don’t like people who are LGBTQ but can’t obviously target those kids. They instead see that they wear a lot of pride flag logo clothing and LGBTQ support buttons and the like. So they make a rule that kids can’t wear anything political to school. And then, when other students wear MAGA hats and Trump 2024 buttons, they just ignore them, or pretend they’re not political. Though usually the kids are smarter than the adults, in these situations. I was in a school once where political messages on shirts were specifically prohibited… but some students noticed that there wasn’t any rule against political messages on shoes, and proceeded to decorate a few white pairs with permanent markers. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > I can’t see that, either. Maybe describe it? Transcript: “Parent”: “I would like to enroll my child, but first I need to be sure there are no ‘girls’ with penises in the class.” “Teacher”: “And how exactly do you intend to make that determination” “Parent”: “I’m going to check” “Teacher” to “Principal”: “ok, I knew the plant was carnivorous but I didn’t think it would eat her” (roles are in quotes because the accompanying images appear to be from Star Trek). ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2023, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/392 "2023-02-06T23:34:16Z")
A comic made from stills from Star Trek Deep Space Nine, done in 4 panels. Panel 1: Kai Opaka says, “I would like to enroll my child, but first I need to be sure there are no ‘girls’ with penises in the class.” Panel 2: Keiko O’Brien says, “And how exactly do you intend to make that determination?” Panel 3: Opaka again, “I’m going to check.” Panel 4: Keiko again, this time speaking to Commander Benjamin Sisko, “Ok, I knew the plant was carnivorous but I didn’t think it would eat her.” For anyone not familiar with with the show, Kai Opaka is a religious leader of the people on Bajor, the planet that Deep Space Nine is closest to (and a frequent antagonist on the show due to her strong, fundamental religious beliefs interfering with the efforts of the show’s protagonists). Keiko is a schoolteacher for many of the children living on the station as well as being a trained botanist (hence the carnivorous plant bit). Sisko is the guy in charge of the station. ETA: Space-ninja’d! ☹ 🥷 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/393 "2023-02-07T01:05:23Z")
That’s not Opaka. Opaka was a brilliant and highly moral leader. That was Kai Winn, the scummiest of scum as far as Bajorans go. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/394 "2023-02-07T01:09:49Z")
Nurse Ratched always ruled. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/395 "2023-02-07T01:42:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That was Kai Winn, the scummiest of scum as far as Bajorans go. You’re right, my bad. Kai Opaka was the one who ended up stuck on the prison moon when “infected” with immortality. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/396 "2023-02-07T05:08:07Z")
Yes, that was what I intended to link to. I couldn’t figure out how to do it. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2023, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/397 "2023-02-12T06:40:29Z")
this was on the msn feed earlier: > **[Doctors who ‘pushed’ people into sex change operations are no help for those...](https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/doctors-who-pushed-people-into-sex-change-operations-no-help-for-people-who-want-to-detransition-claim/ar-AA17nhAJ?ocid=U519DHP&pc=U519&cvid=db2ecf423ec3459b9912ed6e3b730122)** > > More people seeking to detransition from their sex change operations claim that the doctors who helped them transition are unwilling to assist them go back. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2023, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/398 "2023-02-12T07:15:12Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > this was on the msn feed earlier: > > [MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/doctors-who-pushed-people-into-sex-change-operations-no-help-for-people-who-want-to-detransition-claim/ar-AA17nhAJ?ocid=U519DHP&pc=U519&cvid=db2ecf423ec3459b9912ed6e3b730122) …just a few important things of note here: The Independent Women’s Forum is an ultra-conservative group that grew from the “women for Judge Clarence Thomas” ad-hoc group. Chloe Cole is a conservative activist and hangs around with the Proud Boys and is one of only a handful of de-transitioners that are featured in stories like this over-and-over again because they literally can’t find anyone else. And the author of the article is ex-newbusters and ex-Media Research Centre. This is garbage. It may have shown up on the MSN feed, but its garbage Fox news anti-trans propaganda. I’m not sure why you shared that here: but I’m gonna charitably assume that you simply forgot to add context to that link. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2023, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/399 "2023-02-12T11:23:51Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Chloe Cole is a conservative activist and hangs around with the Proud Boys and is one of only a handful of de-transitioners that are featured in stories like this over-and-over again because they literally can’t find anyone else. Now that’s just not fair to poor Chloe. They do other things; they were one of the 12 people who made up MTGs recent anti-trans rally! Oh wait, that just reinforces the point, never mind. > [@Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene MUST GO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/1019): > > Turns out that the rally was actually ‘major players’ in the anti-trans movement, such as they are, and at least 5 other people attended. Or they were staffers. [Marjorie Taylor Greene held an anti-trans rally at the Capitol & almost no one came - LGBTQ Nation](https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/01/marjorie-taylor-greene-held-anti-trans-rally-capitol-almost-no-one-came/): Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) held an anti-trans rally at the Capitol this week. A whopping 12 or so people attended and no major media outlets covered it. The rally was a veritable who’s who of contemporary transphobic trolls, i… ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2023, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/400 "2023-02-12T12:48:45Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I’m not sure why you shared that here: but I’m gonna charitably assume that you simply forgot to add context to that link. I’m gonna assume that it was meant as an example of Republicans’ war on transgender people, and the context is that it’s in a thread of that name. But thank you for the additional context, it was informative. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=21)