# Republicans' war on transgender people: Omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609 "2022-06-03T02:20:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/501 "2023-03-13T21:14:38Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > …1993? Stop nitpicking. That’s approximately the feudal era. Isn’t that the height of the Cola Wars, which were really about states’ rights? ---
**Author:** ![Nightaudit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nightaudit/32/17181_2.png) [@Nightaudit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightaudit)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/502 "2023-03-13T21:22:01Z")
Yeah… I was in high school in 93 and it was in rural eastern Colorado. Nobody was out. You didn’t dare let on that you like other guys. The one person that slipped up and got found out didn’t have a great rest of the year…he was not back next year. And this was in a town 30 miles south east of Denver. A lot has changed since then. Before moving to Austin in 2018 I lived 10 years in rural west Texas. I had openly out HS kids working for me at the hotel I was working at. I made a comment that I was surprised that they were so open and out here…which then prompted a conversation about what it was like for me to grow up in the 90s be high school and all that. Most of them were kind of taken aback by how different things were then. I’m getting off my soapbox now… ---
**Author:** ![Nightaudit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nightaudit/32/17181_2.png) [@Nightaudit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightaudit)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/503 "2023-03-13T21:27:53Z")
No I fear these kids will grow up like it was back when I was in school…. Most will keep their mouth shut and have very painful and stunted teenage years. Then when they’re able to escape to LA or NY … and that’s if they don’t get found out about and kicked out of their homes by parents. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/504 "2023-03-13T21:36:00Z")
> [@Nightaudit](#): > > I made a comment that I was surprised that they were so open and out here…which then prompted a conversation about what it was like for me to grow up in the 90s be high school and all that. I don’t know anyone who was out in high school either, and I graduated in 1995. That just wasn’t acceptable back then. Which sucks. I didn’t live in a rural area, it was somewhat suburban, lots of folks associated with the US Navy. So we had a pretty diverse student body from a racial perspective (lots of Asian/Pacific Islanders in particular), but I can’t think of a single person who openly admitted to being gay. The whole concept of trans people was foreign, I wasn’t even aware it existed. It’s really shitty to think how backwards and ignorant people were at that time, and to think that there are assholes who look back on those times with nostalgia and want things to be like that again. Fuck them. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/505 "2023-03-13T21:38:22Z")
> [@Nightaudit](#): > > The more I read and hear about this the more I think the ultimate goal of the conservatives; is to make life so onerous for LGBTQ in their respective states. They may accomplish that, but that’s not their goal. Their goal is to make the people who consider themselves “normal” be afraid enough of all the “abnormals” to vote for the party that wants to make the abnormals’ lives miserable. Building a better mousetrap is hard. It’s a lot easier to invent scarier mice. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/506 "2023-03-13T23:20:45Z")
That is only step one. Step two is to get enough control to be able to overrule governments in liberal states-“States Rights” will come to a screeching halt the second they gain almost total control of the conservative section of the country. ---
**Author:** ![Nightaudit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nightaudit/32/17181_2.png) [@Nightaudit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightaudit)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/507 "2023-03-14T01:06:20Z")
I’m not going back in the closet with out a fight, and I’m sure as fuck not going to a Camp with out exercising my 2nd amendment rights. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/508 "2023-03-14T02:53:28Z")
> [@Nightaudit](#): > > The more I read and hear about this the more I think the ultimate goal of the conservatives; is to make life so onerous for LGBTQ in their respective states. That we all get so fed up with all of their shit, and we all pull up stakes and leave. You know move back to the larger east and west coast cities and out of the “heartland” letting it return to its original feudal state. Just like it was 30 years ago. Seeking a longer term, intelligent goal for the Republican war on LGBTQ+ community is silly. It is, and always has been, about hatred and punishing people for being “other”. There is no long term strategy. There is no coherent, logical endgame. It is (and was when it is/was race based) hatred and fear of those who aren’t like them. Dont ascribe intelligence to simple hatred. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/509 "2023-03-14T12:22:47Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > It’s a lot easier to invent scarier mice. And even easier to get people terrified of normal mice. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/510 "2023-03-15T07:54:13Z")
I dunno, **Buck\_Godot** , I think it’s scare tactic, ‘we’ll come for you other kids if you do anything to draw attention to your trans kid.’ > [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I actually don’t think its just the exposure that they are worried about. I think that they worried that the parents will transition all of their other kids as well. I dunno, **Hamlet**. I think, somewhere up the food chain, there are strategists working these emotional issues in order to get people to vote against there rational best interests the same way the Conferacey used ‘states rights’ to get people to back a war that couldn’t possibly benefit them. > [@Hamlet](#): > > It is (and was when it is/was race based) hatred and fear of those who aren’t like them. Dont ascribe intelligence to simple hatred. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/511 "2023-03-15T09:35:57Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > the Conferacey used ‘states rights’ Was that unintentional, or brilliant? ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/512 "2023-03-15T10:40:57Z")
If you mean misspelling confederacy, unintentional ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2023, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/513 "2023-03-19T13:56:50Z")
Kentucky has passed the [“worst anti-trans bill in the country.”](https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/03/18/kentucky-passes-the-worst-anti-trans-bill-in-america/) From the article: [quote] Senate Bill 150 seeks to ban gender-affirming healthcare for trans youth, requires doctors to detransition young trans people and **prevents schools from discussing gender identity or sexual orientation with students of any age.** [/quote]. Emphasis mine in the quote. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2023, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/514 "2023-03-19T14:29:50Z")
Y’know, from this and other similar legislative situations in several states where bill sponsors have been unable to explain how they arrived at it, it becomes clear that in the view of the Party Of Evil, the very notion of “gender identity” **itself** is to be rendered into something **literally** unspeakable and unthinkable. To them, “normal” people don’t have gender identities, they “just are” males or females and no need for further discussion. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2023, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/515 "2023-03-19T15:56:51Z")
With apologies for the sequential post > [@JRDelirious](#): > > where bill sponsors have been unable to explain how they arrived at it … the very notion of “gender identity” **itself** is to be rendered into something **literally** unspeakable and unthinkable. To them, “normal” people don’t have gender identities, they “just are” males or females and no need for further discussion. Example: legislator confronted with whether “no reference to gender identity” would mean no reference to _hetero_ sexuality either [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/mggrWKHJHHA/maxresdefault.jpg "LOL: Republican Finds Out Her Anti-Gay Bill Would Ban Heterosexual Speech in Schools") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mggrWKHJHHA&t=2s) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/516 "2023-03-19T19:32:18Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > To them, “normal” people don’t have gender identities, they “just are” males or females and no need for further discussion. A slight correction on how they see that from my point of view: Their viewpoint: Your identity is entirely dependent on what sort of genitals you have in your crotch area at birth and if you do not conform perfectly to what is considered acceptable expression, etc. _you will be corrected_. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2023, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/517 "2023-03-19T19:53:56Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > The gender affirming medical procedures routinely given to teens who request them are hormone blockers, to give them more time to make a decision, sometimes hormone therapy, sometimes top surgery (also sometimes performed on older cis girls, to increase the size of their breasts – this is by far the most common “gender affirming surgery” done in the US) and medical procedures like sperm banking, for trans girls who might want the option of a biological child after they more fully transition as an adult. And don’t forget about counseling. Even just telling a kid “You’re OK” is something that the Republicans want to ban. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2023, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/518 "2023-03-20T02:01:11Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Senate Bill 150 […] requires doctors to detransition young trans people… Against their will?! Jesus Christ. ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2023, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/519 "2023-03-20T02:07:48Z")
Next up: concentration camps and forced “conversion therapy”. Two years ago that would have sounded ridiculously hyperbolic. Not any more. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2023, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/520 "2023-03-20T07:55:39Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > > [@Superdude](#): > > > > Senate Bill 150 […] requires doctors to detransition young trans people… > > Against their will?! Jesus Christ. Absolutely. It’s to “protect” these people. In the mindset of these people being trans is a mental sickness and it’s a state that needs to treated so the person will be able to live what they view as a normal life. Failure to “restore” what they view as “proper” gender norms would be the same as failing to treat a child’s broken leg or serious illness. To them, claiming that transitioning a child so that child would be happier is like claiming that a child with a serious leg fracture would be happier if that leg healed bent and deformed. It doesn’t compute with these people. It’s starts with trans people, but it eventually extends to everyone in LGBTQ+ Eventually it gets back to little girls who aren’t feminine enough, and boys that aren’t masculine enough, either in how they present themselves or what their interests are. They get to define those terms, by the way. Not your or me or the people affected. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=27)