# Republicans' war on transgender people: Omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609 "2022-06-03T02:20:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/721 "2023-04-26T22:28:48Z")
> [@eschrodinger](#): > > It’s really fucking crazy. And she’s such a hero. I can feel in my body what it feels like when people treat you like that. And she has just kept advocating. > > I really think we are headed into Idiocracy. I don’t know how we as a country can come back from this level of just openly jettisoning democracy. > > I’m starting to see the secession of the red states as not only possible, but preferable. I may not stick to that, but it’s just becoming such a free-for-all right now, with LGBTQ people in the crosshairs. Almost literally. I don’t think we are headed for idiocracy, but for violent fascism. And I HOPE we can exit with no worse than a split into multiple countries. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/722 "2023-04-26T22:37:46Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I don’t think we are headed for idiocracy, but for violent fascism. And I HOPE we can exit with no worse than a split into multiple countries. Yes, more like a violent fascist regime, supported, and in some cases run, by idiots (Trump, e.g.). And I fully agree with your last sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/723 "2023-04-26T23:00:55Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I’ve been calling Balkanization as the endgame here for a while. The extremists states are not going to stop being extreme. There has to come a point where some of the other states say, “that’s enough.” If they aren’t going to act at a federal level to stop this nonsense, and if the GOP have set themselves up so they can’t lose elections in those states, then there really isn’t much left. Just, _no_. Buying freedom at the cost of allowing fascists free rein in their little hellholes is a price too high. We have an obligation to all Americans, even those who live in fascist hellholes. Violations of their rights are violations of our rights, for they are us. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/724 "2023-04-26T23:09:24Z")
That only works if we win. I’m not convinced we do. If we separated we could provide a safe haven for refugees. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/725 "2023-04-26T23:10:27Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Violations of their rights are violations of our rights, for they are us. …I’m just calling it like I see it. I don’t think Balkanization is the endgame because that is my “desired outcome.” Its just that: talk is cheap. And while I have no doubt that you believe you have an “obligation to all Americans to stand up for their rights” I also think that you neighbour might be thinking right now that they “have an obligation to all Americans to report your ass for having seditious musings.” Not enough people _care_. The centrists run the Democrats, and they are never going to treat this as the threat to democracy that it truly is. So you’ve got one party steady on the path to authoritarianism, and you’ve got the other party meekly going “meh.” As puzzlegal says, probably the _best_ case scenario is you get “a split into multiple countries.” Because at least then there will be somewhere for the marginalized folk in the extremist states to go. But if you really want to fight, then you gotta do better than whatever it is the dems are doing now. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/726 "2023-04-26T23:11:33Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > We have an obligation to all Americans, even those who live in fascist hellholes. I don’t see as I have more of an obligation to an American than I do to any other human, and there’s a lot of fascist hellholes in the world. I want to do what I can to help folks oppressed in Vladivostok, too, but not at the cost of my own life and safety. If the option is breaking up the US, or turning the entire US into Missouri, sorry, but Missourians can go fuck themselves. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/727 "2023-04-26T23:17:13Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > As puzzlegal says, probably the _best_ case scenario is you get “a split into multiple countries.” Because at least then there will be somewhere for the marginalized folk in the extremist states to go. And if we split up, the marginalized folks in new England, New York, and California don’t need to run at all. And can stop worrying about what happens in the next national election. Or, if we seriously balkanize > **[The Surprising Geography of Gun Violence](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/23/surprising-geography-of-gun-violence-00092413)** > > America’s regions are poles apart when it comes to gun deaths and the cultural and ideological forces that drive them. People in Yankeedom, New Netherlands, Tidewater, the left Coast, and probably the Midlands and el Norte are okay. That’s a large chunk of the US population. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/728 "2023-04-26T23:26:07Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > But if you really want to fight, then you gotta do better than whatever it is the dems are doing now. And that would be what? Remembering that we’ve got one party steady on the path to authoritarianism and their votes count too. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/729 "2023-04-26T23:28:56Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > And if we split up, the marginalized folks in new England, New York, and California don’t need to run at all. And can stop worrying about what happens in the next national election. …I kept asking in one of the other threads, “what’s the Democrat plan to protect trans and marginalized people in the extremist states?” And there isn’t a plan. What happens to them is what happens to them. That means the extremist states will just keep getting more extreme. And if the federal government won’t do anything about it, and if the courts (that aren’t already captured) just get ignored, then the other states have to step it up. But I look at what New York city is like under Hochul and Adams…and yeah, they will be better than the extremist states. But that isn’t saying a lot. > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > And that would be what? That would be a question better directed to **Pleonast**. I’ve made my position on this clear. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/730 "2023-04-27T00:10:53Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Biden needs to mobilize the National Guard to escort Zephyr to the state legislative chambers. This is both a fight for civil rights and a fight for democracy. The Federal government does not have that authority. Also, keep in mind that if Biden sets that sort of precedent then someone like Trump has an excuse to barge into a state legislative chamber to _remove_ someone. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/731 "2023-04-27T00:13:28Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > That only works if we win. I’m not convinced we do. If we separated we could provide a safe haven for refugees. You’re assuming that us non-fascists in Red State America will be allowed to leave. Already Texas is attempting to restrict the movement of women who _might_ be pregnant from going out of state in fear of them getting abortions. Do you think they will stop there? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/732 "2023-04-27T00:45:26Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > The Federal government does not have that authority. The Constitution guarantees that the states will have a representative form of government. Not allowing a duly-elected representative into the chamber is an abrogation of that. If the Feds don’t have the authority to enforce the Constitution, then who does? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/733 "2023-04-27T01:07:28Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Also, keep in mind that if Biden sets that sort of precedent then someone like Trump has an excuse to barge into a state legislative chamber to _remove_ someone. We need to drop this idea that the Republicans are waiting for Democrats to break a precedent first before they do something. If Trump wants to use the National Guard after winning in 2024, the only criteria he’s considering are 1. does he profit from it, and 2. can he get away with it? What the Democrats did or did not do is not going to factor into his decision making in the slightest. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/734 "2023-04-27T01:11:26Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > This isn’t a debate about bathrooms anymore. It was never a debate about bathrooms. Hell, it was never a debate. It was one group of phobes disclaiming their horror about people they don’t understand and refuse to understand therefore those people need to not exist. It’s also about controlling women, not protecting women. Zephyr had the misguided notion (in the phobes’ eyes) of daring to become a woman and therefore, as a man who got mutilated (note: this is not my view, but, yes, I have heard people describing transgender women as such) she (or as they love to misgender her, “he”) does not deserve any respect, courtesy, or consideration other than punishment. Oh, and speaking of the pearl clutching going on about transgender people in sports, of course the “big fear” was that a “true male” would become female in order to win prizes that “he” could not win in a contest against males. I don’t recall ever hearing the gnashing of teeth about a biological male becoming a man and thus that’s not fair to the other men, but [there are some rather prominent transgender men in competition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sports). Evidently if one wants to compete in a woman’s sport, then one is subject to restrictions; however, if one wishes to compete in a man’s sport, one may do so “without restriction”. This is not and never has been a debate. It’s an attempt by a certain segment of our society to control other people. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.E](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.e/32/8932_2.png) [@Mr.E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.E)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/735 "2023-04-27T01:17:53Z")
Anyone thinking that these fascists will stop once trans people are eliminated from public life is wrong too, they’re just a convenient first step. Once the framework to legally oppress unwanted people is in place no one outside the white heteronormative world will be safe. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/736 "2023-04-27T01:34:41Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > As puzzlegal says, probably the _best_ case scenario is you get “a split into multiple countries.” That is definitely NOT what they want. They want to take all the toys and have the rest of us go away. The want the three branches of government, the military etc. This isn’t them wanting to leave the country and make their own-This is a hostile takeover. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/737 "2023-04-27T01:40:04Z")
I agree. Which is why if my state can get out, i find that a considerably better outcome. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/738 "2023-04-27T01:44:28Z")
Your state can’t get out without the permission of the Republicans, and those assholes will not allow an oasis of sanity to exist where it might influence others. ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/739 "2023-04-27T01:48:55Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Now they are coming after Sen Megan Hunt. For “a conflict of interest for standing for trans rights.” > > Its open and brazen now. Unrelenting. So they want to ban Megan Hunt for “possible conflict of interest” because she has a transgender son. When are they going to ban other representatives for “possible conflict of interest” because they might feel compelled to vote against measures which could affect those who contributed to their election campaigns? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/740 "2023-04-27T02:06:41Z")
Oh, i don’t think that’s a likely outcome at all. I agree. They want the whole ball of wax, and they want to oppress all of us. But someone up thread was talking about a split as if that would be a bad outcome. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=38)