# Republicans' war on transgender people: Omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609 "2022-06-03T02:20:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/741 "2023-04-27T02:12:46Z")
It probably would be, unless you get to take an army with you to protect your borders(you can’t), and are allowed to use shipping lanes and/or are allowed free use of the freeways for commerce(you won’t be). ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/742 "2023-04-27T03:49:25Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > It was never a debate about bathrooms. …yeah, it _was_ a debate about bathrooms. That was what opened the door. Like a “gateway drug.” It sucked plenty of people right in. It was the “debate” that radicalised me. Because, TBH, it _could_ have gone the other way. Because a few years ago? I didn’t really understand any of this. All I did know was that “this doesn’t sound right.” I trusted my gut. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > That is definitely NOT what they want. Unless you put the emphasis on the wrong word: I’m not claiming that this is “what they (the extremists) want.” It isn’t even what I want. It’s how I see it playing out. I don’t think we see another civil war. I don’t see the extremists making inroads to the more progressive states. I see both sides consolidating, entrenching. Both sides will continue to pretend everything is normal. But there will be “underground railroads for abortions” operating, trans refugees, stockpiling of medicines, underground book readings. You know, the typical dystopian stuff. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > And if the federal government won’t do anything about it, A few minutes after I posted this, this happened: > **[US Justice Dept sues Tennessee over transgender healthcare law](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/27/us-justice-dept-sues-tennessee-over-transgender-healthcare-law)** > > The law, passed in the state’s Republican-led statehouse, prohibits youth from receiving gender-affirming care. This is a good thing. The law hasn’t taken effect yet. And it shows the DOJ is coming to the party. Tie them up in court. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/743 "2023-04-27T11:19:53Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > If the option is breaking up the US, or turning the entire US into Missouri, sorry, but Missourians can go fuck themselves. Speaking as a Missourian, I lean towards agreeing with you. The problem, as always, is what do you do with people like me (and there are a lot of us)? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/744 "2023-04-27T14:10:08Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The Constitution guarantees that the states will have a representative form of government. Not allowing a duly-elected representative into the chamber is an abrogation of that. If the Feds don’t have the authority to enforce the Constitution, then who does? No one, actually. The constitution was set up with the supposition that the states would act in the interest of their citizens. Which was never really the case, it was always for the wealthy and powerful. > [@Miller](#): > > We need to drop this idea that the Republicans are waiting for Democrats to break a precedent first before they do something. True. However, Democrats doing something first and getting away with it removes any reluctance on the part of the Republicans to try something. > [@Mr.E](#): > > Anyone thinking that these fascists will stop once trans people are eliminated from public life is wrong too, they’re just a convenient first step. Once the framework to legally oppress unwanted people is in place no one outside the white heteronormative world will be safe. White, heteornomative Christian male world, provided they have the proper political leanings and a certain amount of wealth (poor need not apply). And once they achieve _that_ they will further sub-divide themselves and oppress each other. It’s oppression all the way down. Fascists _need_ scapegoats to blame and hate and oppress. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/745 "2023-04-27T14:19:04Z")
And here, those who support trans rights are straight up called demons. > **[Video: Testimony on Ohio trans bill accuses Muslim, Jewish opponents of being...](https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/26/video-demons-ohio-pastor-stuart-long-trans-bill-beth-liston-jesus-jews-muslims-transgender-columbus/70156732007/)** > > During House testimony on whether transgender minors should have access health care, man accused non-Christians who opposed HB 68 of being possessed. It’s never about protecting anyone, it’s only about hate. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/746 "2023-04-27T14:39:44Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > That only works if we win. I’m not convinced we do. If we separated we could provide a safe haven for refugees. These fascists have already claimed all of America; they will not be appeased by only controlling part of it. > [@Miller](#): > > I don’t see as I have more of an obligation to an American than I do to any other human, and there’s a lot of fascist hellholes in the world. I want to do what I can to help folks oppressed in Vladivostok, too, but not at the cost of my own life and safety. If the option is breaking up the US, or turning the entire US into Missouri, sorry, but Missourians can go fuck themselves. That’s reasonable, but the fascists will continue to divide and conquer. Safety is only temporary at best. But that’s not my main point. Following the advice of “they terrorize those other people, and I’m privileged enough to ignore it” weakens the core of liberal democracy. That we protect everyone’s rights so that our own rights are protected. Once we start to cut people out of that, that’s the end of it–the goal of fascism is to divide people into in-groups and others. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/747 "2023-04-28T01:03:01Z")
Y’all just knew [Texas had to wave its flag here, didn’t you?](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/04/24/sid-miller-agriculture-department-texas-anti-trans-dress-code/) > Texas agriculture commissioner orders employees to wear clothes “consistent with their biological gender” > > Texas Agriculture Commissioner [Sid Miller](https://www.texastribune.org/directory/sid-miller/) is ordering his employees to dress “in a manner consistent with their biological gender,” the latest move by the state’s Republican leaders against transgender people. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/748 "2023-04-28T01:26:08Z")
The agriculture commissioner? Don’t all farmers wear sturdy pants that can get dirty? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/749 "2023-04-28T01:29:57Z")
Sooooo…kilts for everbody! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/750 "2023-04-28T03:46:28Z")
'Twas my very thought this morning! ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/751 "2023-04-28T18:22:31Z")
Montana, in the midst of its own anti-trans legislative pogrom, says the quiet part out loud: “better dead than trans.” > **[A Montana lawmaker suggested she’d rather risk her child’s suicide than let...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/montana-state-lawmakers-remarks-trans-daughter-draws-backlash-rcna81983)** > > State Rep. Kerri Seekins-Crowe said in a floor debate in March that her daughter "was suicidal for three years" and when asked if she'd do anything to save her, her answer was "no." ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/752 "2023-04-28T18:27:13Z")
Which just goes to show… When a child is unborn they need to be protected. Once a child is born, fuck them. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/753 "2023-04-28T19:03:06Z")
Holy shit! When I saw your post, I assumed that she was just being hypothetical (“if I had a trans child…”), but no, she had an actual trans child who was suicidal for three years and refused to lift a finger to help them. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/754 "2023-04-28T19:14:42Z")
This whole fiasco makes Poe’s law impossible: there is no extreme of apparent parody or sarcasm that can’t actually be sincerely intended. She literally said “I would allow my daughter to commit suicide rather than allowing her to transition herself.” (And yeah, I’m probably misgendering her child by speaking in her voice.) This is not something you can reason with. > [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > actual trans child who was suicidal for three years Probably still is suicidal, but mommy dearest probably convinced herself the child is “all better now.” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/755 "2023-04-28T19:20:58Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Holy shit! For anyone who hasn’t read the article, this is her justification. > “I was not going to give into her emotional manipulation because she was incapable of making those decisions and I had to make those decisions for her,” Seekins-Crowe said. > > She continued, “I was not going to let her tear apart my family and I was not going to let her tear apart me because I had to be strong for her, I had to have a vision for her life when she had none, was incapable of having none.” This is some cold-hearted shit. I have two daughters, one of which has had mental health issues and struggled with self-harm, and I can’t imagine someone who can call themselves a parent and take an **adversarial** role with a child struggling like that. That’s straight-up fucking _evil_. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/756 "2023-04-28T19:21:24Z")
Oh wow. If that child makes it to adulthood, i wonder what they will say about mom. “Better dead than trans”. Just wow. 😢 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/757 "2023-04-28T19:23:19Z")
To me, karma is that waste of oxygen being charged with child abuse and losing custody of any children she has. Remember, these are the shitstains who claim that gender-affirming care is child abuse. This is the mindset of these monsters. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/758 "2023-04-28T19:24:30Z")
Basically if the teen had died by suicide, the mother would have been 100% certain that was caused by _being trans_. Can’t help but notice the language “I was not going to let her break up the family, break me up” and accusing the teen of “manipulation”. In her mind it was the trans teen who was being wrongful and harming _the parent_ by not submitting to that she knew better. This is one thing about these people’s POV: they believe they _ **own** _ their children and those children only exist to perpetuate _them_. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/759 "2023-04-28T19:31:35Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > To me, karma is that waste of oxygen being charged with child abuse and losing custody of any children she has. Unfortunately, I think in some state (Florida?) there’s a bill or law that could cause her to lose custody if she actually helped her child with gender affirming care. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/760 "2023-04-28T19:34:53Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > I think in some state (Florida?) there’s a bill or law that could cause her to lose custody if she actually helped her child with gender affirming care. I’m well aware, that’s why I would consider this karma. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=39)