# Republicans' war on transgender people: Omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609 "2022-06-03T02:20:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/761 "2023-04-28T19:37:14Z")
Meanwhile I’m sure that said child is just thrilled with the idea of being used as a political prop by the mother and having all of their personal struggles held up to the entire state/nation for derision. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > Oh wow. If that child makes it to adulthood, i wonder what they will say about mom. “Better dead than trans”. Just wow. Her two children are actually [young adults now](https://billingsgazette.com/ward-1-kerri-seekins-crowe/article_e1db6c10-da28-59c3-9642-c7f4ea76b8ac.html) one of them, like her mom, lives in BIllings and works for Delta, the other works in New York as a caterer and Model. I hope for his/her/their sake that the trans one is the one who lives in New York. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/762 "2023-04-29T07:05:02Z")
Desi Lydic had a segment on [The Daily Show](https://youtu.be/BDCcQ2JagGw) about this sort of thing, and some of the pushback from citizens of her hometown (and the town in which I live), Louisville, Kentucky. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/763 "2023-04-29T08:14:31Z")
You are speaking as if there is a meaningfull difference. When you put the idiots in charge you get fascism or some other kind of totalitairian paradise. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/764 "2023-04-29T09:41:19Z")
The other part of their mindset, as displayed by Perjury Traitor Greene, is to state that an adoptive mother, or any nonbiological parent for that matter, is not actually a parent. She berated a witness in front of her committee, declaring said witness was not, in fact, a mother. So, according to that pubbie, Saint Joseph was not a parent. And this mean, spiteful, nasty nonsense came from someone declaring herself a Christian. Tsk, tsk, tsk. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/765 "2023-04-29T17:27:52Z")
Wait, isn’t adoption the solution to abortion? Yeah, this kind of nonsense from that particular imbecile is in part because, as alluded before, they look upon children as the instruments of continuation of _their_ bloodline. And they do believe in _“bloodline”_ as something that transmits a real special standing. Because in their universe everyone has their place and everyone has been already chosen to have their place from ancestral times by the monster they worship as a “god”. Anyone who is not of the Right Kind Of Family plain and simply is stepping out of their rightful place in the order of things if they try to object. Sadly, for the foreseeable future I can only see the people willing to care more about what it costs to fuel up their truck than about the life of children and who _vote based on that_, continue to be a plurality relative to those who feel the other way. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/766 "2023-04-29T21:00:23Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The Constitution guarantees that the states will have a representative form of government. There is precedent for the President setting up provisional military governments during insurrection (against the _national_ government), but generally Congress must enforce that clause, as the Supreme Court ruled when asked to legitimize one of two rival governments in Rhode Island. _Luther v. Borden_, see also _Texas v. White_. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Nightaudit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nightaudit/32/17181_2.png) [@Nightaudit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightaudit)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/767 "2023-04-29T21:56:08Z")
I swear it’s as if the entire conservative Christian/ Republican Party; binge watched Handmaiden’s Tale during the pandemic. And then collectively said “that’s a great idea, let’s make it happen.” I really starting to feel like we are sliding into another civil war again and we’re at the cold part of it now. It’s the 1850s again. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/768 "2023-04-29T22:23:18Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Yeah, this kind of nonsense from that particular imbecile is in part because, as alluded before, they look upon children as the instruments of continuation of _their_ bloodline. And they do believe in _“bloodline”_ as something that transmits a real special standing. Because in their universe everyone has their place and everyone has been already chosen to have their place from ancestral times by the monster they worship as a “god”. > > Anyone who is not of the Right Kind Of Family plain and simply is stepping out of their rightful place in the order of things if they try to object. Not bloodline, but rather [songbun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbun). And that, dear readers, is why Tan the Conman saluted North Korea and fell in love with their dictator. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/769 "2023-04-30T06:17:34Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The other part of their mindset, as displayed by Perjury Traitor Greene, is to state that an adoptive mother, or any nonbiological parent for that matter, is not actually a parent. She berated a witness in front of her committee, declaring said witness was not, in fact, a mother. And yet, even a dimwit like MTG is aware that we as a society routinely call an adoptive parent a parent, and legally recognize an adoptive parent’s parental rights. The social norms of biological parenthood have given rise to the concept of “parent” as a social category that doesn’t necessarily imply biological parenthood. Biological and adoptive parents are both called just “parents”, except where it’s necessary for some reason to specify which category of parenthood they fall into. Which, of course, is exactly the same thing that we as a society are free to do with the social categories “man” and “woman”. There’s no intrinsic reason, for example, that somebody who identifies as a man can’t be categorized and referred to as a man for most social and legal purposes, even if he wasn’t born with biologically male anatomy. “Man” in colloquial use doesn’t have to mean “individual assigned male at birth with penis and Y chromosome etc.”, any more than “parent” has to mean “person whose sperm or ovum helped create the zygote that grew into this offspring”. I’m actually rather surprised that any transphobes are willing to make even that much concession to the principle of logical consistency. Yup, if you’re trying to argue that it’s somehow “denying biology” to say that transgender men are men and transgender women are women, you can’t turn around and declare that it’s not denying biology to say that adoptive parents are parents. (Or, for that matter, that gay husbands are husbands and lesbian wives are wives.) Logical consistency isn’t slowing down most of these idiots any, though. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/770 "2023-04-30T18:43:19Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > She berated a witness in front of her committee, declaring said witness was not, in fact, a mother. The only situation this would possibly be acceptable is where one’s status as a mother implies credibility on the topic of pregnancy/childbirth. I.e. if a someone who has never conceived is advocating for abortion restrictions and pulls the “I’m a mother” card. Or maybe outside of politics, someone being dismissive of ppd or offering unhelpful advice to cope with it, though I’ve read some adoptive parents suffer a similar form of depression. MTG was apparently attacking an official who was behind school reopening guidelines during the pandemic, implying she was less attuned to the needs of students because she was a mere stepmother (“mother by marriage”, not necessarily adoption) rather than a ‘real’ mother. Still incredibly rude, IMO. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/771 "2023-04-30T18:58:05Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > The social norms of biological parenthood have given rise to the concept of “parent” as a social category that doesn’t necessarily imply biological parenthood. Biological and adoptive parents are both called just “parents”, except where it’s necessary for some reason to specify which category of parenthood they fall into. Eh, to a large extent mom and stepmom are distinct social categories, in my experience. Especially where bio-mom is still alive and active in the kid’s life, which may or may not be the case for this particular witness that went before Congress. To a lesser extent, son/daughter and stepson/stepdaughter, but my experience is that usually the stepparent is distinguished from a legal parent even with young kids. Calling the stepmom “mom” is a big step not all families reach (or want to reach). ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/772 "2023-04-30T22:42:19Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > mom and stepmom Kimstu said “adoptive” mom, not stepmom. Please read for comprehension. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/773 "2023-04-30T23:08:23Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Kimstu said “adoptive” mom, not stepmom. Please read for comprehension. And lose the opportunity to defend the indefensible? It’s Max’s whole shtick. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/774 "2023-05-01T05:35:03Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > The only situation this would possibly be acceptable is where one’s status as a mother implies credibility on the topic of pregnancy/childbirth. I.e. if a someone who has never conceived is advocating for abortion restrictions and pulls the “I’m a mother” card. To be blunt, that’s a bullshit argument. I’d like to think most humans are not absolute imbeciles and therefore are capable of understanding and therefore do understand what an experience might be like for someone else even though they have not experience said experience. By the way, was my grandmother no less a mother for adopting my father, my uncles, my aunts? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/775 "2023-05-01T07:13:14Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Kimstu said “adoptive” mom, not stepmom. True, though TBF, AFAICT, the speaker that MTG was attacking during the hearing (Randi Weingarten) is in fact a stepmother but not an adoptive mother. (She’s married to the biological mother of the child in question.) However, Monty was correct that Taylor Greene objected to Weingarten’s advocacy on the grounds that she’s “not a biological mother”. And that objection, consistently applied, does rule out adoptive mothers as well as stepmothers from qualifying as “mothers”. It even rules out mothers-by-surrogacy who initiate and sponsor the surrogate pregnancy. (I have no idea how Taylor Greene would think—and I use that word loosely—that it applies to gestational surrogacy by IVF where the ovum was provided by the legal mother initiating the surrogacy, but the surrogate is the one who actually gestates and gives birth to the child.) ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/776 "2023-05-01T11:23:28Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > And that objection, consistently applied We are talking about MTG here - expecting consistency from her would be inconsistent. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/777 "2023-05-01T15:00:09Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > True, though TBF, AFAICT, the speaker that MTG was attacking during the hearing (Randi Weingarten) is in fact a stepmother but not an adoptive mother. (She’s married to the biological mother of the child in question.) **She’s** married to the **mother**? That’s just so many kinds of wrong! /s ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/778 "2023-05-01T17:02:13Z")
And, once again, it’s clear that it’s not just about trans people. (And also that they really forget that there are anything but trans women.) So they are evil, and also very dumb. (As we all knew.) At least on this point they might lose the TERFs. Also, how will this be determined? Are they checking labels, or just eyeballing people’s outfits? In the wrongful termination suit, will there be competing fashion experts discussing whether those were “boyfriend jeans,” or actually her boyfriend’s jeans? And, not least of their worries, this policy violates Title VII, as construed by the Supreme Court in Bostock v. Clayton County and R.G. v. G.R. Harris Funeral Homes, in 2020. And those were 6-3 decisions, so RBGs absence isn’t enough to throw it the other way, assuming that Gorsuch and Roberts don’t change their positions. And it would be hard for Gorsuch to back out, as he authored the opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/779 "2023-05-01T20:36:35Z")
IIRC, the witness’s wife is a rabbi. That probably freaked out the bigot-in-question too. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/780 "2023-05-01T22:26:06Z")
I forgot to mention that Perjury Traitor Greene also dismissed Weingarten’s career as an educator. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=40)