# Republicans' war on transgender people: Omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609 "2022-06-03T02:20:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 68
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1341 "2023-08-11T18:28:35Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > You seem to think we got it right since the first time a well-meaning doctor thought puberty blockers were a good idea, and anything that doesn’t champion that is from Conspiracy World. And I understand that it can be very difficult for experts, and expert publications, to even entertain thinking that questions the status quo. But whether you approve or not, it does appear that there is movement globally that will change the trajectory. You’re free to chalk all that up to transphobia, but that doesn’t make it so. You are completely disconnected from reality. Trans people having access to gender affirming care is a hard won right and the battle isn’t even close to over. You seem to be under the belief that there is some sort of Trans Lobby controlling the science being published with an iron fist, and that’s simply delusional. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1342 "2023-08-11T18:29:42Z")
I’m not talking about what legislation should or not should not be undertaken. Before we get to that, there is sussing out what is best for trans kids. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1343 "2023-08-11T18:31:07Z")
Yes, the medical professionals are doing exactly that. But, before that has happened, Republicans **have already passed the legislation banning the care**. Jesus fuck, what’s going on here?? ETA: Are you saying that the jury is still out and that’s why the care is being banned by Republican legislators? Because (a) that’s wrong, the jury has decided (and, of course, research and refinements continue, _just like any other medical treatements_) and (b) they haven’t pre-banned any other early stage medical treatments (and, this isn’t really early stage, but I’ll assume you think it is). > [@magellan01](#): > > Before we get to that, there is sussing out what is best for trans kids. Oh, man, I just noticed this part. They are definitely not sussing out what’s best for trans kids. For example, they are passing bathroom bills and high school sports bans, and banning books that address trans gender kids, and obviously none of that is what’s best for trans kids. This is fucking delusional. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1344 "2023-08-11T18:36:11Z")
I’m interested in where the science is now and what the best practices are based on that. You, and others, seems to be blissfully intent on embracing the protocols currently in place while holding up a cross and strands of garlic to fend off new information. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1345 "2023-08-11T18:40:58Z")
As Kenobi\_65 said, I don’t want to spend 26 minutes of my life watching a video of completely unknown provenance and reliability without some evidence of why I should accept any of the things it says. But I tell you what I’ll watch it tonight when I have time if you answer the following question: Why you think that state legislators who are making their career in promoting the hatred of trans people are better qualified to determine what treatment an individual child should receive than, that child, that child’s parents, that child’s doctor and the medical establishment, to the point that treating according to the standard of care should result in the child being taken away and the parents jailed? Even if we accept that there is ambiguity in the medical consensus, which version to follow should be up to those closest to the child in question, not by some entity with no knowledge of those involved and an axe to grind. I am willing to bet that every parent who has considered treating their children with puberty blockers has spent more time researching the subject than the vast majority of lawmakers who are voting to ban the treatment. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1346 "2023-08-11T18:42:16Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > You, and others, seems to be blissfully intent on embracing the protocols currently in place while holding up a cross and strands of garlic to fend off new information. You keep asserting this, but in fact you are wrong about the science. You can keep insisting that we are wrong and that the vast majority of scientists are in the pocket of Big Trans and too scared to come out and say the truth. Or you could open your eyes, rub your two remaining brain cells together until they spark, and realize that the idea that _trans people_ of all marginalized groups secretly control the scientific journals is both ridiculous and eerily similar to claims that Jewish people exert similar control over financial institutions, and that maybe the reason that most scientists say the evidence is in one camp is NOT that they’re being brainwashed by trans people but rather than this is where the evidence actually is. I won’t hold my breath, though. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1347 "2023-08-11T18:42:18Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I’m interested in where the science is now and what the best practices are based on that. Cites from mainstream sources tell you what the science is and what the best practices are. Other folks are welcome to challenge that, get reviewed and published, and then those new practices and treatments become where the science is, etc. Crackpots who publish in blogs and long videos is decidedly not where the science and best practices are. @Babale, I love the idea that it’s Big Trans controlling all the levers of science! There aren’t many groups more marginalized than trans folks, so if they could somehow still rule the world, that would be powerful indeed! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1348 "2023-08-11T18:44:45Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Cites from mainstream sources tell you what the science is and what the best practices are. Other folks are welcome to challenge that, get reviewed and published, and then those new practices and treatments become where the science is, etc. > > Crackpots who publish in blogs and long videos is decidedly not where the science and best practices are The mainstream media doesn’t publish this info for the same reason it doesn’t publish Elvis sightings, Flat Earth experiments, or alien abduction stories: They’re all in the pocket of the Trans Jews! ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1349 "2023-08-11T18:45:55Z")
Whoa! I thought it was the reverse vampires! Trans people are so powerful that it only took them about 10-15 years to make super-liberal SDMB start really caring about transphobia on these boards. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1350 "2023-08-11T18:47:36Z")
I’m not nearly as interested in what the Republican party is doing as I am in what they _should_ be doing. And to asses that, I’m looking to experts. I get the feeling that anyone who does not champion the position you favor is “not an expert” in your book. I disagree. Again, science isn’t static. And what do you think the odds are of the well-meaning medical establishment 1) grasping all the complexities of trans care for children and 2) understanding all the downsides? The history of trans care for children is not that old, the drugs were not originally intended for the treatment in question, and very few studies have been undertaken to understand their effects better. There is one with sheep, which shows negative effects of postponing puberty on brain development. Again, none of this gives you pause? I find that astonishing. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1351 "2023-08-11T18:50:00Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I’m interested in where the science is now and what the best practices are based on that. What do you know, so is the medical establishment. This is how they come by the guidelines. Want to know how the legislators decide what the “best practices are?” Polling likely voters in the Republican primary who by and large decide based on a gut reaction that trans people are icky. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1352 "2023-08-11T18:50:23Z")
I’m curious as to how @magellan01 differentiates between people who the Mainstream Media shuns because they are unsung geniuses, like the authors of his sources on gender affirming care or the guy with Hunter Biden’s Edlritch Laptop, from people who the Mainstream Media doesn’t publish because they’re genuinely nuts, like Flat Earthers and Moon Landing Hoaxers. I mean, they’re both posting to poorly coded websites or their personal blogs, so how does one tell them apart? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1353 "2023-08-11T18:51:50Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > And what do you think the odds are of the well-meaning medical establishment 1) grasping all the complexities of trans care for children and 2) understanding all the downsides? A hell of a lot better than yours or anyone else’s. Who do you propose instead? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1354 "2023-08-11T18:52:24Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Who do you propose instead? Billboard Chris? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1355 "2023-08-11T18:54:42Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > the drugs were not originally intended for the treatment in question So can we ban Viagra for anything except the originally intended blood pressure issues? After all, it’s not like old men being unable to fuck is a serious medical issue. Unless we can be 99.999% sure that there are no negative side effects, we must ban viagra for erectile dysfunction. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1356 "2023-08-11T18:56:20Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > You can keep insisting that we are wrong and that the vast majority of scientists are in the pocket of Big Trans and too scared to come out and say the truth. I’m saying it’s wrong to not take into account the latest information. Understanding that the information will take some time to make it to the mainstream journals. another problem with consensus science is that it becomes difficult to undertake research. Good luck trying to get a research grant with a hypothesis that runs counter to the prevailing thinking. And the more the issue has a political component, the harder it is. But I’m sure the drug companies will be happy to fund your study looking at The Super Wonderful Effects of Puberty Blockers. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1357 "2023-08-11T18:58:33Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I’m not talking about what legislation should or not should not be undertaken. Before we get to that, there is sussing out what is best for trans kids. What’s best for trans kids is for parents and their doctors to get together and make decisions based on solid science and the best interests of their children, and not be restricted by politicians who use transphobia for political purposes. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1358 "2023-08-11T18:58:42Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I mean, they’re both posting to poorly coded websites or their personal blogs, so how does one tell them apart? If they agree with his prejudices, they’re unsung geniuses. If not, they’re crackpots, easy peasy. > [@magellan01](#): > > Again, none of this gives you pause? I find that astonishing. None of that convinces me that Republican legislatures know more about this than the medical establishment. I’ve constantly noted that science isn’t static, read my posts. There are ways to challenge the status quo, but that way is not through long YouTube videos or Republican bans – it’s through careful research, peer review, and publication in reputable journals. > [@magellan01](#): > > I get the feeling that anyone who does not champion the position you favor is “not an expert” in your book. I disagree. Your whole approach here is that none of the actual experts are not experts in your book because they don’t champion the position you favor. The sooner you realize that you are a transphobe, and that’s what is driving your motivated reasoning, the sooner your eyes will open to the actual reality. You may not believe you’re a transphobe, but you certainly are at some level. That is without question. That is why you have to search far and wide for “cites” that support your ridiculous position. All that said, if further research showed that treatment A or treatment B or whatever is doing more harm than good, I would certainly expect the medical establishment to change their treatment guidelines. I would still not expect the state governments to step in and tell those medical bodies what to do. Sadly, this will be our last interaction on this thread. I have better things to do with my life than argue with a fucking transphobic brick wall piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1359 "2023-08-11T18:59:37Z")
I’m not saying that drugs can’t have fantastic value being used for things that they were not originally developed for. I’m simply saying that we should acknowledge the dearth of studies for this particular usage. Think about it, you’re arguing—vehemently—to continue to give kids drugs without us doing the usual research to understand the benefits and dangers. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1360 "2023-08-11T19:01:25Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Think about it, you’re arguing—vehemently—to continue to give kids drugs without us doing the usual research to understand the benefits and dangers. No, I am not, you dumb, dishonest, transphobic piece of shit. I am all for studies to be done on the use of puberty blockers, and for the results of existing and new studies to be taken into account when DOCTORS, PARENTS, AND PATIENTS make their decision on how to proceed. You are a lying piece of transphobic shit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=67) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=69)