# Republicans' war on transgender people: Omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609 "2022-06-03T02:20:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 71
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1401 "2023-08-11T22:16:41Z")
Oh, brother. Okay, what do you think the chances are of flat-earthers being proven correct in the future? And what do you think the chances are of the experts I’ve pointed to, as well as the medical experts who agree with them, being proven correct in the future? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1402 "2023-08-11T22:19:26Z")
Feel free to point to these lies or incorrect information and explain how you _know_ that to be the case. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1403 "2023-08-11T22:23:36Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > . And what do you think the odds are of the well-meaning medical establishment 1) grasping all the complexities of trans care for children. I’m sure they are orders of magnitude higher than you and that idiot Billboard Chris grasping the complexities of anything. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1404 "2023-08-11T22:24:44Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Oh, brother. Okay, what do you think the chances are of flat-earthers being proven correct in the future? Zero. > [@magellan01](#): > > And what do you think the chances are of the experts I’ve pointed to, as well as the medical experts who agree with them, being proven correct in the future? Also zero. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1405 "2023-08-11T22:26:00Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you agree that the cause is homophobia? Interesting you bring this up. It appears that of those kids with gender dysphoria who go through puberty, the majority of them turn out to be healthy gay men. Do you have something against gay men? ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1406 "2023-08-11T22:33:24Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > The original claim was that there is no down side and that they are completely reversible. We now know that that is not the case. “There is no downside” is an oversimplification. All meds have risks and benefits, which would be made clear in the many, many, MANY discussions that a doctor would have with a patient before starting drugs like these. > [@magellan01](#): > > Two other things that make this very different is that 1) there are people who have gone through the puberty blockers, hormones, and even surgery who now regret what they’ve done and feel they will never live a normal life. They know they can’t undo all the treatments and surgeries and are pretty much stuck. People on aspirin occasionally have bleeding complications and die. I feel safe saying they regret taking it, or they would if they weren’t dead. > [@magellan01](#): > > 1. the negative dangers are so immense that someone really has to be sure they want this, and understand ALL the risks. Children, some as young as 10 years old, are asked to digest the information and make a good decision. That’s nuts. Kids can’t give informed consent when they can’t process all that information and the ramifications of the treatments. Parents and children and their doctors make decisions way more touchy than this one every day. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1407 "2023-08-11T22:38:38Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > A) If the well-meaning medical establishment isn’t in the best position to 1) grasp all the complexities of trans care for children and 2) understanding all the downsides, then who is? That’s the right group. But they need to be embracing new information. That’s how science works. And one thing that gets in the way of that is when a medical issue gets political, as this has become. Hell, just look at what happened with Covid. There was a general consensus among the experts. But others, tops in their field, were unsure and eventually disagreed. They were shut up. When that happens, many fewer people who hold those views will decide to not speak up. Which is precisely the point of the tactic. In the end, brave people like Dr. Jay Bhattacharya from Stamford, Dr. Marty McGarry from Johns Hopkins, and others turned out to be right. > [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > B) Why you think that state legislators who are making their career in promoting the hatred of trans people are better qualified to determine what treatment an individual child should receive than, that child, that child’s parents, that child’s doctor and the medical establishment, to the point that treating according to the standard of care should result in the child being taken away and the parents jailed? I don’t think they are acting on their own opinions—that would be nuts—but listening to what they’re hearing from other experts. Do you really think they’re _not_ doing that? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1408 "2023-08-11T22:40:15Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > That’s the right group. But they need to be embracing new information. That’s how science works. Embracing new information =/= combing through your excrement! ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1409 "2023-08-11T22:52:54Z")
Yet, the facts, data and information are there, unbothered by your intense desire to not digest them. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1410 "2023-08-11T22:58:23Z")
> [@DoctorJ](#): > > People on aspirin occasionally have bleeding complications and die. I feel safe saying they regret taking it, or they would if they weren’t dead. Not sure what your point is here. People die from medical complications all the time, my dad included. What is left out of the is a person’s ability to understand the risks. Children can’t give informed consent. We say that a 15-year-old can’t consent to have sex with a 21 year old. But you’d be okay with a kid that age, being asked to consent to something much more complicated and with much greater risk? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1411 "2023-08-11T23:00:00Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Children can’t give informed consent. We say that a 15-year-old can’t consent to have sex with a 21 year old. But you’d be okay with a kid that age, being asked to consent to something much more complicated and with much greater risk? Has a **single** person in this thread even suggested that a minor be allowed to make those decisions **alone**? No. All of us have been saying that, just like **any other health decision** for a child, it’s the parents’ responsibility to make that decision, based on what they believe is best for their child. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1412 "2023-08-11T23:00:33Z")
That you think Dr Bhattacharya was proven right demonstrates that we live in different factual universes. There’s no point to discussion when you believe up is down. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1413 "2023-08-11T23:00:56Z")
Gotta run. When I come back I expect the to see a long string of posts starting with “Magellan01 is right”. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1414 "2023-08-11T23:02:39Z")
Ha. You go right on believing that if you get vaccinated you can’t spread the virus or be reinfected. Funny stuff. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1415 "2023-08-11T23:03:22Z")
Nice straw man. Not surprising to see you make stuff up about those who disagree with you. If we had followed Dr Bhattacharya’s recommendations, millions more would have died. ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1416 "2023-08-11T23:12:15Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Not sure what your point is here. People die from medical complications all the time, my dad included. What is left out of the is a person’s ability to understand the risks. Children can’t give informed consent. We say that a 15-year-old can’t consent to have sex with a 21 year old. But you’d be okay with a kid that age, being asked to consent to something much more complicated and with much greater risk? Children take medications and undergo procedures every day with risk profiles far greater than puberty blockers. Because the parents and the doctor (and, ideally, the child) decide that the benefit outweighs the risk. Some of those kids have permanent negative complications. Some of them even die. But I don’t see Tucker Carlson demanding that kids shouldn’t ever be able to take medications of any kind because they can’t possibly give informed consent. Just these particular meds. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1417 "2023-08-11T23:17:53Z")
You probably won’t. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1418 "2023-08-11T23:27:20Z")
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**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1419 "2023-08-11T23:32:29Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Gotta run. When I come back I expect the to see a long string of posts starting with “Magellan01 is right”. If you all can’t see that he’s straight up trolling you for lulz, This should prove it. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1420 "2023-08-11T23:34:54Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Ha. You go right on believing that if you get vaccinated you can’t spread the virus or be reinfected. Why do you keep diverging from the subject? Hunter’s laptop, vaccinations, flat-earthers. You _are_ trolling us just for the lulz. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=70) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=72)