# Republicans' war on transgender people: Omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609 "2022-06-03T02:20:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Taber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@Taber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taber)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/141 "2022-06-07T21:07:30Z")
> [@WalterBishop](#): > > I’m not a scientist or doctor, but isn’t it possible to tell what someone’s sex is by simply doing a mouth swab? I’m not either, but the law specifies that it must be based only on genital inspection, testosterone test, and/or chromosome test, and seems vague about whether that’s an “and” or “or”. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/142 "2022-06-07T21:07:38Z")
Plus, no chance to feel up the young healthy genitalia. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/143 "2022-06-07T21:23:39Z")
‘If it weren’t for you libs we conservatives wouldn’t be forced to make doctors molest little children!’ ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/144 "2022-06-07T21:29:19Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > ‘If it weren’t for you libs we conservatives wouldn’t be forced to make doctors molest little children!’ - “That’s _our_ job!” ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/145 "2022-06-07T21:48:23Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > And miss out on the humiliation? Ah, you bring back memories of my military physical. Strip naked, squat down and hold your cheeks apart, in a room full of other naked guys doing the same thing, to be inspected detected neglected and in my case, rejected. I figured the humiliation was the first step in becoming a sailor. Or Navy doctors just like looking at naked 20 something guys’ butts and genitals. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/146 "2022-06-07T21:51:42Z")
A church in Texas has been evicted after a sermon where the preacher called for all LGBT people to be executed. > **[Stedfast Baptist Church Evicted After Pastor Preaches That Gay People Are...](https://churchleaders.com/news/418513-tx-church-evicted-after-pastor-preaches-that-gay-people-are-worthy-of-death.html)** > > Stedfast Baptist Church in Hurst, Texas is being evicted from its building after the church’s pastor, Jonathan Shelley, preached that those who practice homosexuality are “worthy of death.”  ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/147 "2022-06-07T21:57:27Z")
Everything you need to know about Shelley, > Pastor Jonathan Shelley, whose church is affiliated with infamous “death to gays” Pastor Steven Anderson in Phoenix, Arizona {…} > [Anti-LGBTQ religious extremist celebrates death at Wilton Manors Pride](https://www.losangelesblade.com/2021/06/22/anti-lgbtq-religious-extremist-celebrates-death-at-wilton-manors-pride/) And if that name means nothing then look up the New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist ~~Church~~ Hate Group ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/148 "2022-06-07T21:58:12Z")
There’s a guy really following Jesus’s message. “And, blessed are the murderers of transpeople, for only they shall receive heaven.” It was right there in the Sermon on the Mount all along! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/149 "2022-06-07T22:15:51Z")
> [@WalterBishop](#): > > I’m not a scientist or doctor, but isn’t it possible to tell what someone’s sex is by simply doing a mouth swab? I’m not a doctor either, but AIUI, a buccal swab allows you to determine the subject’s sex chromosomes. That doesn’t necessarily tell you what their genital configuration or hormone levels (e.g., testosterone) are like. For example: [One in 15,000 women has female exterior anatomy but XY chromosomes (androgen insensitivity syndrome).](https://novonordiskfonden.dk/en/news/more-women-than-expected-are-genetically-men/) Transgender women who’ve had top and bottom surgery and hormone therapy may be physically indistinguishable on casual examination (and in sports competition) from cisgender women, but most of them have XY chromosomes. [Some cisgender female athletes have XX chromosomes and female anatomy but their naturally high testosterone levels disqualify them from women’s sports competition.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/04/27/female-athletes-with-naturally-high-testosterone-levels-face-hurdles-under-new-iaaf-rules/) And so on. It is really not so simple as “female = female genitalia = XX chromosomes = female gender identity = female-norm levels of sex hormones, so if we test any one of those then we’ve answered the question.” Aspects of sex and gender identity are complicated and not always consistent with a simple binary model of sex and gender. ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/150 "2022-06-08T07:33:27Z")
Thanks. Makes a lot of sense. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/151 "2022-06-08T14:30:52Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > So if I wanted to perform gender reassignment surgery on a child, I would be legally able to do so because I hold a valid medical license. This is not necessarily true. There are female genital mutilation laws on the books of various states which may come into play when considering bottom surgery for minors. In Florida, for example, it is a first degree felony to excise any part of a minor’s labia or clitoris, regardless of the patient or their parent’s consent (it is a third-degree felony for the parent to provide consent); there is an exception for licensed healthcare professionals but only if “necessary to preserve the _physical_ health of a _female_ person”, emphasis mine. Fla. Stat. 794.08. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/152 "2022-06-08T14:39:09Z")
Duly noted. Let’s move on. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/153 "2022-06-09T04:46:37Z")
A 16-year-old trans boy in Texas attempted suicide the same day Reichsfuhrer Abbott issued his decree declaring him illegal. He survived and wound up in a psych ward, which promptly reported his parents for chikd abuse after learning he was trans. > **[More families of trans teens sue to stop Texas child abuse investigations](https://t.co/n4INauoBnS)** > > The ACLU and Lambda Legal filed the lawsuit on behalf of three families currently under investigation, as well as more than 600 Texas-based members of PFLAG, an advocacy group for LGBTQ+ families. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/154 "2022-06-09T06:09:19Z")
Republicans, happily: “See, the system is working!” ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/155 "2022-06-09T10:03:55Z")
“And Sermon on the Mount sounds a little too salacious anyway. We need to overhaul the whole book! In the beginning, there was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. All of their Secret Shame parts were where the Good Lord intended……” ---
**Author:** ![Taber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@Taber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taber)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/156 "2022-06-09T16:33:16Z")
I recently heard that they banned chromosome testing for the Olympics in 1996 because when they did the testing, 8 of the 3,000 failed - 7 due to androgen insensitivity, and 1 for an intersex condition. Interestingly, 7 out of 3,000 is a lot more than 1 in 15,000 - it could be that androgen insensitivity helps athletic performance, but I wonder if androgen insensitivity is just a lot more common than we think. My understanding is that it basically goes undetected unless the women tries to have a child and has enough resources to get tests to figure out why she isn’t getting pregnant\*. [Decision to Abolish Gender Testing at Sydney Olympics Supported By Yale Physician \< Yale School of Medicine](https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/decision-to-abolish-gender-testing-at-sydney-olympics-supported-by-yale-physician/#:~:text=The%20committee%20instead%20replaced%20the,results%20with%20the%20new%20test). - After reading your article, my understanding was incomplete - some do have more symptoms than infertility, and it seems like 1 in 15,000 was the “more than we previously thought” number, though of course that doesn’t prevent there being an even more than that number. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2022, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/157 "2022-06-10T22:45:37Z")
Republican and pastor Mark Burns is running for Congress in South Carolina with the goal of executing Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham for wanting to take your guns, and LGBTQ-supporting parents and teachers. And furries, for some reason. But _especially_ trans people. > **[MAGA Congressional candidate promises to “start executing people” who support...](https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/06/maga-congressional-candidate-promises-start-executing-people-support-lgbtq-youth/)** > > "We should start putting some of those parents in jail for abusing their child’s minds... start executing people... ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/158 "2022-06-13T01:36:10Z")
I’ve seen the furry stuff before. There’s apparently some idiot going around saying that furries actually believe they are and identify as animals. It seems to be part of the trans panic. It wouldn’t surprise me if it started as a troll joke that someone took seriously. Oh and BTW, I’d heard of phaloplasty, but didn’t realize it had become practical, and not just something they were experimenting with. It definitely sounds much worse than a vaginoplasty. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/159 "2022-06-13T01:38:26Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I’ve seen the furry stuff before. There’s apparently some idiot going around saying that furries actually believe they are and identify as animals. - On the internet, everyone knows if you think you’re a dog. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2022, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/160 "2022-06-17T05:44:44Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > (Apropos of which, I think that as a gesture of Doper solidarity we should try to get another and similarly titled well-written memoir about gender identity, our own [AHunter3’s GenderQueer: A Story From a Different Closet,](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B085X31WV7/) onto conservatives’ book-banning radar. Nothing like making a huge fuss about banning a book to pique reader curiosity and drive up sales.) I should do vanity searches more often. I totally approve this initiative. My book is _dangerous_, y’all! It should totally get banned from your kids’ libraries and stuff! Your Republican politicians should yell about it. A lot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=9)