# Republicans' war on transgender people: Omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609 "2022-06-03T02:20:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 86
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1701 "2024-04-10T23:32:10Z")
Fear of Trans Bodies Lily Alexandre lays it out plainly. “Trans people are a scapegoat, in the classic Biblical sense. We’re cast into the outskirts to carry humanity’s ugliness, barrenness, and impermanence to unburden everyone else.” “I’m pretty troubled by the anti-trans movement arguing that our bodies are objectively inferior and that our outward imperfections are proof of internal imperfections. We have a word for this kind of speech: it’s **EUGENICS.** I want to emphasize that this is not petty harassment, it’s not trolling; it’s an incitement to violence that should be setting off alarm bells! The American academic Henry Stanton introduced a 10-stage model of how genocide happens and, going by that, the trans community is approaching the halfway point. First comes classification. Then symbolization. Then discrimination. These were all achieved before I was born; to me they’ve been a fact of life. But describing people as physically diseased and at risk of transmitting that disease to innocent people slots right into phase 4: ‘Dehumanization is when one group treats another group as second-class citizens. Members of a persecuted group may be compared with animals, parasites, insects, or diseases. When a group of people is thought of as “less than human,” it is easier for the group in control to murder them. At this stage, hate propaganda in print and on hate radio is used to make the victims seem like villains.’ We’re witnessing the reuse of one of the oldest tricks in the book, one that’s been used to justify segregation, sterilization, mass killing… I can’t believe people are falling for it again.” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Yt2QPnhqIuI/maxresdefault.jpg "Fear of Trans Bodies") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt2QPnhqIuI) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1702 "2024-04-11T06:32:56Z")
I agree with you whole post. I think, though, the _group in control_ is usually the republicans and they simply do not accept that it’s actually possible be transgender. They see transgender people as homosexual and thus view them as Evil. And that is why the _group in control_ is using emotionally-chaged language such as _mutilation_. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1703 "2024-04-15T12:52:54Z")
Good on the Governor. Hopefully it dies without an override. > **[Kansas governor vetoes gender-affirming trans youth care ban](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/kansas-governor-vetoes-gender-affirming-trans-care-ban/story?id=108746228)** > > Gov. Laura Kelly vetoed a ban on gender-affirming medical care for transgender youth in Kansas. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1704 "2024-04-30T16:18:30Z")
And to follow up: > **[Kansas bill to limit gender-affirming care for transgender minors dies after...](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/kansas-bill-limit-gender-affirming-care-transgender-minors-dies-failed-rcna149959)** > > Supporters were two votes short when two Republicans switched their votes and prevented the Legislature from overriding the Democratic governor's veto. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1705 "2024-04-30T16:57:27Z")
Thank goodness for our Governor, Laura Kelly. I’m sorry that she’s 74 years old and will probably retire from politics after her term is up in 2026. She might be able to be elected Senator if she ran, and we Kansans could certainly use a Democratic Senator. During the debate on the bill, state senator Mary Ware had a rather poignant question for her colleagues in the senate: > “What is the acceptable number of youth suicides?” Ware asked. [Source](https://kansasreflector.com/2024/04/29/kansas-house-fails-to-override-veto-on-bill-that-would-ban-gender-affirming-care-for-kids/?emci=3dc57391-a206-ef11-96f3-7c1e521b07f9&emdi=e8669714-d006-ef11-96f3-7c1e521b07f9&ceid=552442) (probably paywalled) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1706 "2024-04-30T21:14:14Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > During the debate on the bill, state senator Mary Ware had a rather poignant question for her colleagues in the senate: > > > “What is the acceptable number of youth suicides?” Ware asked. Channeling my inner conservative bigot… _‘I see Mary did not understand what Michael Knowles said to CPAC “For the good of society … transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology, at every level.” The acceptable number is all of them.’_ When they tell you who they are and what they want . . . maybe folks should listen. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2024, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1707 "2024-12-24T02:28:45Z")
Of course Trump is dialing this one up: - [Donald Trump threatens to end trans rights on “day one” in terrifying speech; He promised to wipe out trans rights with sweeping orders when he takes office.](https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2024/12/donald-trump-threatens-to-end-trans-rights-on-day-one-in-terrifying-speech/) > Donald Trump made sweeping promises at a far-right event this weekend to end trans rights in several areas, including education, health care, and military service. > > Speaking at an event organized by Turning Point USA, Trump also promised to end transgender rights across the board on his first day in office, saying that it will be official policy that “there are only two genders, male and female.” He also said he would sign an executive order to “end child sexual mutilation.” ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2024, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1708 "2024-12-24T02:32:21Z")
Hmm, be interesting if he tries to outlawed genital surgery on children in a way that makes it hard to do surgery on intersex babies. I don’t know if it’s still routine, but it certainly was for a while. Be even more interesting if he tries to outlaw circumcision. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2025, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1709 "2025-01-08T08:34:57Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Be even more interesting if he tries to outlaw circumcision. I bet whatever he proposes - or whatever legislation gets crapped out of Congress - will be so poorly worded that this will be one of the outcomes, intended or not. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1710 "2025-03-06T14:38:09Z")
Literally making it illegal to be trans. The next step after this will be the cattle trains to the camps. We’ve seen this movie already. (_Night and Fog._) > **["Identity fraud": Proposed Texas state law would make identifying as...](https://www.salon.com/2025/03/05/identity-fraud-proposed-texas-state-law-would-make-identifying-as-transgender-a-felony/)** > > The bill proposed by State Rep. Tom Oliverson would leave transgender Texans open to charges of fraud ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1711 "2025-03-06T20:40:14Z")
At least they’re direct about it. The entire [bill](https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/89R/billtext/pdf/HB03817I.pdf#navpanes=0) reads > SECTION 1. Subchapter D, Chapter 32, Penal Code, is amended > by adding Section 32.515 to read as follows: > > Sec. 32.515. GENDER IDENTITY FRAUD. (a) A person commits > an offense if the person knowingly makes a false or misleading > verbal or written statement to a governmental entity or the > person ’s employer by identifying the person ’s biological sex as the > opposite of the biological sex assigned to the person at birth. > > (b) An offense under this section is a state jail felony. > > SECTION 2. This Act takes effect September 1, 2025. Doesn’t take a lawyer to see what this bill is doing. If I were arguing against it, I would say the proposed law unlawfully discriminates against people who were assigned a biological sex at birth by creating a felony that only applies to them, without compelling government rationale. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1712 "2025-03-06T21:20:11Z")
Anything about declaring yourself to be neither? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1713 "2025-03-06T21:24:01Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > without compelling government rationale Nonsense! The compelling rationale is “ICK ICK ICK ICK ICK!” ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1714 "2025-03-06T21:36:25Z")
I am not a lawyer. Arguably someone identifying as non-binary would not be the identifying as “the _opposite_ of the biological sex assigned” at birth. But identifying as one or the other binary gender on a given day could. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1715 "2025-03-06T21:39:08Z")
Yeah, I’m surprised that the rubberbrains who came up with this legal text didn’t use the phrasing “other than” rather than “the opposite of”, in order to enable them to oppress and disfranchise nonbinary people as readily as transgender people. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1716 "2025-03-06T21:40:18Z")
Probably not on their radar, given a worldview where there are exactly two mutually exclusive sexes. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1717 "2025-03-06T21:41:21Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Yeah, I’m surprised that the rubberbrains who came up with this legal text didn’t use the phrasing “other than” rather than “the opposite of”, in order to enable them to oppress and disfranchise nonbinary people as readily as transgender people. They’re struggling with the very concept of trans they’re not ready for non! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1718 "2025-03-06T21:45:53Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Probably not on their radar, given a worldview where there are exactly two mutually exclusive sexes. Considering the extent to which, “The woke left believes in 37 genders!” is a right wing meme, I’m surprised it didn’t occur to them to cast a much wider net. ---
**Author:** ![SailorHG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@SailorHG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SailorHG)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2025, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1719 "2025-03-07T08:59:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Sec. 32.515. GENDER IDENTITY FRAUD. (a) A person commits > an offense if the person knowingly makes a false or misleading > verbal or written statement to a governmental entity or the > person ’s employer by identifying the person ’s biological sex as the > opposite of the biological sex assigned to the person at birth. So I can dress like a woman at work – maybe even use the women’s bathroom – as long as I marked the “M” checkbox on my job application when I was hired? How does this bill really “solve” anything? (I know, cruelty is the point!) ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2025, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1720 "2025-03-07T11:01:23Z")
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