# Republicans' war on transgender people: Omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609 "2022-06-03T02:20:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 88
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1741 "2025-03-10T00:38:40Z")
There are also the Sandie Peggie and Darlington Nurses legal cases happening right now too - no Donald Trump there, just female people who don’t want any not-female people around where they take their clothes off. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1742 "2025-03-10T00:42:40Z")
Setting aside your objection to the notion that transwomen are women and vice versa, keep this in mind. The current generally accepted rule, the one Republicans are trying to replace is: people who present as women go to the women’s room, and people who present as men go to the men’s room. That is to say, under the new, stupid rule that “many female people” are invested in, they will have to share their restroom with people who present as men, have masculine features, facial hair, muscles, etc. For some reason, this never really comes up. _I believe_ that reason this never comes up is either because people haven’t thought through their own policy, or that they actually have no intention of sharing spaces with trans people and hope that this law, and other assaults on trans rights, will cause trans people to stop existing. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1743 "2025-03-10T00:46:16Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > but they certainly should have the right By every proposed law and by definition they already do. Not that that’s stopped ciswomen who look too masculine from being harassed, assaulted, and arrested for doing what certain folks claim they want. _Insert photo of someone that looks like Buck Angel here._ ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1744 "2025-03-10T00:47:16Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Meanwhile, as mentioned, the new crew in the White House openly and brazenly promised to undo all progress in trans rights Lots of people are still in favour of trans rights as long as you mean the right to “call yourself what you please, dress how you like, and sleep with whatever consenting adult will have you”. If this is bundled with “and also everyone has to agree that gender identity is the difference between men and women, and sex doesn’t matter” then the trans rights movement will lose. Because most people think that sex is more important. You can, if you like, “win arguments” by simply denying that this is the case and excluding people who say this from your conversation spaces, but the net result of this is just that lots of people turn to the only action left to them to get their preferences met - voting for Donald Trump. Despite the fact that, yes, he’s a nutter on most issues. Terfs generally refer to this as “the massive open goal for the right”. And they’re kicking through it right now. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1745 "2025-03-10T00:50:19Z")
Have you actually listened to Buck talk about the trans rights movement? Buck self-labels as “transsexual” _specifically_ to be distanced from the trans rights movement, is aware of being female, says “I made myself look male in order to manage a mental illness that I have” and is generally extremely terfy. Buck Angel is quite sensible. Be like Buck. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1746 "2025-03-10T00:51:04Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > Lots of people are still in favour of trans rights as long as you mean the right to “call yourself what you please, dress how you like, and sleep with whatever consenting adult will have you”. Yet we have the “War On Pronouns” in the face of the very first part of your list. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1747 "2025-03-10T00:51:50Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > That is to say, under the new, stupid rule that “many female people” are invested in, they will have to share their restroom with people who present as men, have masculine features, facial hair, muscles, etc. For some reason, this never really comes up. But this is the case under self-id. So we don’t actually lose anything. Hence my point that we’re currently living in the world that sex self-id made. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1748 "2025-03-10T00:52:13Z")
I see you’re not going to address the actual issue. And my prediction of Angel’s opinions would be the new topic was correct! ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1749 "2025-03-10T00:54:03Z")
Do we? This thread is moving too fast for me to go back and check. In any case, pronoun objections are usually “other people shouldn’t have to use gender-id-based pronouns if they don’t want to”, not “people can’t use gender-based pronouns for themselves.” The government wants acdurate sex information because that’s what most people are actually interested in ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1750 "2025-03-10T00:55:23Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > pronoun objections are usually “other people shouldn’t have to use gender-id-based pronouns if they don’t want to” Which is rude and dismissive and often bigoted. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1751 "2025-03-10T00:58:01Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > In any case, pronoun objections are usually “other people shouldn’t have to use gender-id-based pronouns if they don’t want to”, not “people can’t use gender-based pronouns for themselves.” No, pronoun objections are usually “other people shouldn’t have to use your gender-id-based pronouns if they don’t want to” which effectively is “people can’t use gender-based pronouns for themselves.” ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1752 "2025-03-10T00:58:03Z")
Well, if you’re going to specifically bring up a particular person in support of your side then, yes, whether they support your side is relevant. You claim sex-based categories are worse for women than gender-based categories - I claim the opposite. Do you have more validated reports of female people being harassed for using female services than I have of female people being traumatised by having to put up with obviously male people in places where they want no male people there? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1753 "2025-03-10T00:58:31Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > Well, if you’re going to specifically bring up a particular person in support of your side I didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1754 "2025-03-10T01:00:08Z")
I can see the name “Buck Angel” _right there in your post_ ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1755 "2025-03-10T01:01:45Z")
Preceded by? Oh yeah, _Insert photo of someone that looks like_ ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1756 "2025-03-10T01:02:33Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > Buck self-labels as “transsexual” _specifically_ to be distanced from the trans rights movement, is aware of being female, says “I made myself look male in order to manage a mental illness that I have” and is generally extremely terfy. Buck Angel is quite sensible. Be like Buck. “Be like Buck.” Does this mean that you’re encouraging transgender people to decide that their transgenderism is a “mental illness?” ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1757 "2025-03-10T01:03:28Z")
Not if they don’t actually think that. I support people being honest about what their experience is actually like. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1758 "2025-03-10T01:04:46Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > I support people being honest about what their experience is actually like. Do you support transgender people who say, “I am a female, despite having been born in a male body?” Do you believe that they are being honest? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1759 "2025-03-10T01:05:51Z")
When did “honest” become a synonym for “agree with me”? ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1760 "2025-03-10T01:06:55Z")
They are using a different definition of female to the one most people use. If they say “I feel female” - fine. I don’t find that meaningful, but they might. But definitionally “this person is female” means “their body is the sort that has a female reproductive system” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=87) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=89)