# Republicans' war on transgender people: Omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609 "2022-06-03T02:20:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 90
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1781 "2025-03-10T14:33:51Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > am begging you people to at least occasionally consider the possibility that people get upset about things _because they are genuinely terrible for them_ Of course people get upset about stuff that is genuinely terrible for them. A person who was, for example, recently assaulted by a lesbian, or a Spanish speaker, or a Russian immigrant, may understandably feel genuinely upset about being around other lesbians, or Spanish speakers, or Russian immigrants, and may find those feelings genuinely terrible. I understand and sympathize. But: that victimized person is not therefore entitled to deny or infringe the rights of lesbians, or Spanish speakers, or Russian immigrants, for the sake of their own feelings. We definitely need to accommodate and care for individuals who have been hurt and are temporarily too fragile to interact with the rest of the world normally. But that doesn’t mean we get to trample on other people’s rights while doing so. > [@Aspidistra](#): > > Lots of women have had terrible experiences of sexual assault, and there’s nothing to distinguish a random transwoman-with-a-penis _who you don’t know personally as a friend_ from any old bozo who might be a groper. There’s no way to distinguish anybody whom you don’t personally know and trust from somebody who might assault you. (In fact, not even knowing and trusting an individual is adequate protection against that: plenty of people have been assaulted by individuals whom they personally knew and trusted.) We need to provide care and security to all victims in recovery spaces. But by trying to make that issue all about and only about penises, you reveal that your real motive here isn’t compassion for victims, but persecution of trans people. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1782 "2025-03-10T18:21:19Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > you reveal that your real motive here isn’t compassion for victims, but persecution of trans people reveal confirm for the 87 millionth time FTFY ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1783 "2025-03-10T19:11:13Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > There actually are a lot of things. Like, trans women generally take androgen blockers and estrogen, and _you can tell that from a distance_ because hormones matter a lot. Trans women usually make a point of dressing and grooming in female ways. But … you know that that doesn’t really make a difference to what women are actually worried about, right? Which is ‘how safe is it to get naked with this person?’ The significant thing is “how sexually safe is this type of person, in general?”. Which, there’s plenty of solid government-level data indicating that the safe people are “women and transmen” , and a couple of orders of magnitude less safe are “men and transwomen” ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1784 "2025-03-10T19:39:46Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > There’s no way to distinguish anybody whom you don’t personally know and trust from somebody who might assault you. It makes an enormous difference whether the person is male or female. That is the entire reason why, traditionally, women are much more comfortable being undressed around other women than around men. For instance: Australia - [men commit 93% of sex offences](https://www.aic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2025-02/sr51_sexual_offending_in_australia_2022-23.pdf) (p10) UK - [13234 men in prison for a sex offence vs 125 women](https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/) (p3) which is a 100x greater risk. Can you be 100% sure of being safe? Of course not. Life is risk. But there are obvious reasons why there is a substantial difference for a woman between getting naked around male people, or getting naked around female people ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1785 "2025-03-10T19:41:26Z")
Men commit sex offenses against men and women. I guess you’re arguing for no spaces where men are naked together either? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1786 "2025-03-10T19:42:36Z")
Why are you getting naked around total strangers at all? ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1787 "2025-03-10T19:42:41Z")
It’s up to men whether they consider it too risky. Some people do. A lot of parents are more concerned about sending their boy children to the change room alone than their girl children ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1788 "2025-03-10T19:43:33Z")
I’m not - the people at [Archimedes Banya](https://banyasf.com/) are, as reference upthread ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1789 "2025-03-10T19:48:41Z")
I’ve actually been to their site, and I not sure they would appreciate the “But I am not saying it-_they_ are saying it!” excuse used whenever confronted. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1790 "2025-03-10T19:51:13Z")
Are public restrooms a frequent venue for rape and sexual assault? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1791 "2025-03-10T19:52:06Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > It’s up to men whether they consider it too risky. Women also commit sex offenses against other women. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1792 "2025-03-10T19:52:47Z")
This part of the conversation is specifically talking about the recent controversy at Archimedes Banya in San Francisco where, yes, people do get naked. [news link](https://sfist.com/2025/03/04/archimedes-banya-gets-social-media-uproar-after-banning-trans-women-from-womens-day/) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1793 "2025-03-10T19:53:00Z")
And if they are why is the focus on trans people and not the physical security of these spaces??? ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1794 "2025-03-10T19:53:04Z")
And by and large women know their rapists or abusers. Where are these super dangerous public spaces people are worried about? Doesn’t seem like they exist. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1795 "2025-03-10T19:53:23Z")
Not nearly as often as men ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1796 "2025-03-10T19:54:02Z")
Read the news story. It’s about treating all physically male people the same ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1797 "2025-03-10T19:55:05Z")
I wasn’t talking about your cherry-picked cite. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1798 "2025-03-10T19:55:48Z")
Ok, are people getting assaulted frequently by strangers in public spas? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1799 "2025-03-10T19:56:53Z")
Do you have a cite that women are abused by transwomen more than by other women? I’m not saying it’s false, but I would be surprised given the small number of transwomen, and the small subset of those that would assault someone, compared to the number of cis-women out there. ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1800 "2025-03-10T20:08:22Z")
I keep opening this thread to see updates on _Republican’s war on transgender people_. But all I see is various posters’ opinions on transgender people, how they think transgender people should present themselves in public, etc. Maybe these people should start a new thread? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=89) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609.md?page=91)