# Republicans: What would it take to impeach Donald Trump?

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**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [November 11, 2016, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505 "2016-11-11T15:46:37Z")\
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**Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/61 "2016-11-15T20:28:12Z")

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> [@Hooleehootoo](#):
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> This, this, this, very much this +1. In a few months the greatest defenders of Trump against impeachment will be Democrats. Paul Ryan is a free trader. He doesn’t want to dump TPP/raise tariffs.

I totally disagree. I’d gladly accept TPP if it’s the price of getting a President who’s just evil instead of evil, stupid and crazy.

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**Author:** ![ricksummon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ricksummon/32/3333_2.png) [@ricksummon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ricksummon)\
**Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/62 "2016-11-15T20:59:49Z")

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Since Trump will be staying at Trump Tower instead of the White House most of the time, he might get busted for violating a New York _state_ law, which he can’t pardon himself for.

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**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/63 "2016-11-16T02:03:02Z")

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Paul Ryan appears poised to retake the House while Trumpistas are fighting amongst themselves about the direction they’re administration is going in.

Ryan 1  
Trump 0

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**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/64 "2016-11-16T02:07:44Z")

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> [@foolsguinea](#):
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> I don’t think Trump will be impeached by the GOP Congress.
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> First, modern GOP politicians are cravenly authoritarian. Trump is the Leader, the Decider, and must be followed though he lead them to Hell.
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> Second, the party want to win elections. Trump’s promised racial purges, however illegal, are useful in the ongoing war for total control of the USA. “Why should I defend people who were never going to vote for me? And after all, those minorities didn’t vote for the GOP and the Culture of Life, so they chose to die, right?”

Trump absolutely could be impeached, and it’s ever the more likely given that a) he has no clue what his boundaries are in terms of his political relations in congress and in terms of the Constitution, and b) because the GOP already has Mike Pence running the show. Trust me, the fact that Mike Pence is inside the Oval Office is not insignificant, as he is highly respected conservative in the House and a state governor who is strong across several key constituencies.

If Trump fucks up, if he wants to step out and be his own guy independent of Republicans, he will get a warning, and the second time, he’ll get an impeachment. The key question then is whether or not Democrats would oblige.

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**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/65 "2016-11-16T02:36:13Z")

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> [@ricksummon](#):
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> Since Trump will be staying at Trump Tower instead of the White House most of the time, he might get busted for violating a New York _state_ law, which he can’t pardon himself for.

I asked about this in [GQ](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=810352). As a practical matter it would be difficult since state would not be able to compel him to attend the trial, let alone remand him to custody without Congress removing him from office.

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**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/66 "2016-11-16T03:29:28Z")

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Doesn’t Trump have to actually commit an impeachable offense before he’s impeached, or doesn’t the Democrat collective require that he do that?

Thanks to Hillary extremely poor showing, it’s unlikely that the Democrat collective will be in a position to impeach anyone for the next 8 years.

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**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/67 "2016-11-16T03:35:08Z")

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> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#):
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> Even if impeached, the Democrats in the senate would never convict him and put Pence in office. He scares us much more than Trump.

That’s about right, and you don’t want running in 2020 either. If Trump does a Jesse Ventura and only lasts 3.5 years, with Pence running the show at the end, it looks better for Democrats.

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**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/68 "2016-11-16T03:46:28Z")

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There is no reasonable projection for an insane situation.

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**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/69 "2016-11-16T03:58:36Z")

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> [@doorhinge](#):
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> Doesn’t Trump have to actually commit an impeachable offense before he’s impeached, or doesn’t the Democrat collective require that he do that?

You really should read the OP and the thread before commenting.

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**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/70 "2016-11-16T04:31:19Z")

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> [@doorhinge](#):
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> Hahahaha. I wouldn’t be to concerned about seeing another impeachment anytime soon. OTOH, Democrats will tell each other anything in order to help forget the fact that **Hillary simply couldn’t turn out voters** where she needed them.  
> …

My bold.

As of today, Hillary leads the popular vote by ONE MILLION, so she definitely _turned out_ more voters than The Donald.

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**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/71 "2016-11-16T04:45:18Z")

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> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> My bold.
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> As of today, Hillary leads the popular vote by ONE MILLION, so she definitely _turned out_ more voters than The Donald.

My bold. Plus underline.

Ahem - Hillary simply couldn’t turn out voters **where she needed them**.

If things were different, things would be different. If the overall, total numbers of a national vote decided a Presidential election, Hillary would be President-elect. But she’s not.

I’m happy for you that Hillary turned out more voters than Trump. However, the U.S. President has never been decided by national, popular vote. Sucks to be Hillary.

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**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/72 "2016-11-16T05:13:29Z")

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> [@doorhinge](#):
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> My bold. Plus underline.
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> Ahem - Hillary simply couldn’t turn out voters **where she needed them**.
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> If things were different, things would be different. If the overall, total numbers of a national vote decided a Presidential election, Hillary would be President-elect. But she’s not.
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> I’m happy for you that Hillary turned out more voters than Trump. However, the U.S. President has never been decided by national, popular vote. Sucks to be Hillary.

One word: gerrymandering.

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**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/73 "2016-11-16T05:24:07Z")

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> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> One word: gerrymandering.

One word: Cite?

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**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/74 "2016-11-16T05:25:55Z")

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> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> One word: gerrymandering.

Like Illinois’s 4th Congressional District?

> **[Illinois's 4th congressional district](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois%27s_4th_congressional_district)**
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> The 4th congressional district of Illinois includes part of Cook County, and has been represented by Democrat Jesús "Chuy" García since January 2019.
> In November 2017, incumbent Luis Gutiérrez announced that he would retire from Congress at the end of his current term, and not seek re-election in 2018. Jesús "Chuy" García was elected on November 6, 2018.
> The previous version of the district from 2013–2023 was featured by The Economist as one of the most strangely drawn and gerrymandered congr...

I’m not sure if Chicago Democrats gerrymandered the 4th to pay homage to the Chicago Cubs, or gerrymandered it to create a Hispanic voting block?

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**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/75 "2016-11-16T05:26:08Z")

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As long as he doesn’t veto any Republican bills he’s pretty safe from impeachment, they will overlook almost anything so long as their agenda is moving forward.

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**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/76 "2016-11-16T05:33:02Z")

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> [@boytyperanma](#):
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> As long as he doesn’t veto any Republican bills he’s pretty safe from impeachment, they will overlook almost anything so long as their agenda is moving forward.

Vetoing a bill doesn’t rise to the level of crimes and misdemeanors. Thanks for playing. 🙂

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**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/77 "2016-11-16T05:55:32Z")

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> [@doorhinge](#):
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> Vetoing a bill doesn’t rise to the level of crimes and misdemeanors. Thanks for playing. 🙂

Didn’t say it did, thanks for reading(poorly)

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**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/78 "2016-11-16T06:17:46Z")

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> [@doorhinge](#):
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> Vetoing a bill doesn’t rise to the level of crimes and misdemeanors. Thanks for playing. 🙂

> [@boytyperanma](#):
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> Didn’t say it did, thanks for reading(poorly)

If The Donald did start vetoing stuff and asserting his independence, I’m sure they could come up with “crimes and misdemeanors” without looking too far, even if it meant stretching the facts to fit their needs, or making up some offenses for the good of the country. :rolleyes:

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**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-what-would-it-take-to-impeach-donald-trump/771505/79 "2016-11-16T06:46:23Z")

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for historical reference -

> [@boytyperanma](#):
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> **As long as he doesn’t veto any Republican bills he’s pretty safe from impeachment** , they will overlook almost anything so long as their agenda is moving forward.

(bold, and underline added)

for historical reference -

> [@doorhinge](#):
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> Vetoing a bill doesn’t rise to the level of crimes and misdemeanors. Thanks for playing. 🙂

> [@boytyperanma](#):
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> Didn’t say it did, thanks for reading(poorly)

You wrote, “As long as he doesn’t veto any Republican bills he’s pretty safe from impeachment,”.

Apparently you didn’t imply that if Trump veto’s any Republican bills, he will be impeached. 😕

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> [@doorhinge](#):
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> You wrote, “As long as he doesn’t veto any Republican bills he’s pretty safe from impeachment,”.
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> Apparently you didn’t imply that if Trump veto’s any Republican bills, he will be impeached. 😕

It’s not that tough. We’re talking about the real world, not the letter of the law. He won’t be impeached if he doesn’t veto any Republican bills, because Republican congressmen don’t give a rat’s ass about the country as long as they get their tax cuts, environmental and financial carte blanche, and voter suppression laws sufficient to guarantee their tenure.

If he does veto too often, which he won’t, he could be impeached, but probably won’t be. The fact that vetoing isn’t a crime has nothing to do with it. If they want him gone, they have all kinds of things they can accuse him of, e.g. blatant corruption for giving his kids access to top secret info while they are running his businesses.

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