# Repubs have formed an openly racist caucus **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 17, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207 "2021-04-17T12:56:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/221 "2021-04-18T01:17:07Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > > > And so on where, more precisely? How difficult does it need to be before you’ll agree not to vote for the person who wants to murder, exile, and/or enslave me and lots of others? > > I’m not following you: is someone advocating for murdering you? For exiling you? For enslaving you? I’d say the evidence is there that they want to do these things. When people wave Nazi flags or Confederate flags at their political rallies, I’m going to assume they’re indicating support of those historical movements. And genocide and slavery were central parts of those movements. I oppose genocide and slavery. So I feel these people should not be given any power. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/222 "2021-04-18T01:46:13Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Just a piss poor hill to die on if you ask me, but dipshits gotta dipshit. I wonder how much pushback the AFCers were getting from fellow white Republicans of, e.g., Irish, Italian or Polish descent, or others of non-Anglo-Saxon heritage. My WAG is that the mooks who started this thinly veiled nativism movement had present in their minds the common American distinction between “Anglo” and “Latino” ethnicity, and wanted to refer to the former in a way that didn’t sound so much like just saying “white people”, so they came up with “Anglo-Saxon”. Though that has led down an interesting rabbit hole about [how colonial white Americans such as Jefferson perceived the term “Anglo-Saxon”](https://research-repository.uwa.edu.au/files/3217942/Walker_Jessica_Lorraine_2007.pdf). ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/223 "2021-04-18T02:13:48Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Is there any reason to think immigrants from Germany or the United Kingdom (which I assume are “Anglo-Saxon” countries) You’re not being nearly racist enough. In the words of Benjamin Franklin: > [@Benjamin Franklin](#): > > The Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who, with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth So, literally only Saxons and Englishmen were good enough for some of our Founding Fathers. Shame on you for expanding the definition of whiteness…err Anglo-Saxons for political expediency. Next, you’ll tell me those darned Irish and Italians are acceptable so we can enlist them against the Blacks and Jews! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/224 "2021-04-18T02:24:45Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > So, literally only Saxons and Englishmen were good enough for some of our Founding Fathers. Amusingly, Franklin’s diatribe there was exactly in the context of [protesting “excessive” “alien” immigration](http://www.columbia.edu/~lmg21/ash3002y/earlyac99/documents/observations.html)…by Germans: > [@](#): > > why should the _Palatine Boors_ be suffered to swarm into our Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and Manners to the Exclusion of ours? Why should _Pennsylvania_ , founded by the _English,_ become a Colony of _Aliens_ , who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion. Yup, those swarthy Germans, cultural-replacement-ing our beleagured original white settlers and refusing to assimilate! The nativist song never ever changes, they just swap out the names in the verse. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/225 "2021-04-18T02:33:51Z")
Holy shit, that second quote could have been lifted right from MTQ’s racist fucking proposal! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/226 "2021-04-18T02:53:00Z")
I propose that all such anti-“alien” diatribes be lumped together as “Palatine Boors speeches”. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/227 "2021-04-18T07:03:12Z")
I have to chide those of you who took this little manifesto at all seriously as a _policy paper_ or something. The congresspeople who promoted it are not interested in making policy. They are interested in courting controversy to gain increased support. Comms, not policy, as Madison Cawthorn put it. Their “values” are overwhelmingly negative: they’re for sure against what liberals and Democrats seem to want at the moment. (Cleek’s Law.) But what are they _for_? They have to hand-wave with empty slogans (MAGA, AF) or meaningless tripe about Anglo-Saxon traditions. Even the weird stuff about architecture is just reactionary: they don’t want any of that modernist architecture the pointy-heads like, but they could never explain why promoting Greek columns is good for America. This fundamental unserious leads to incoherence like Hawley’s and Cruz’s new “corporations are bad, my friend” stance, or the laughable Section 230 stuff. It’s no wonder that a credulous both-sides-have-issues chin-stroker can look at their manifesto and find it — well, he won’t call it unobjectionable, that would be taking sides or something, but he certainly finds some unobjectionable stuff in it. That’s because there is nothing in it of substance. I’m not saying it’s not _dangerous_ — expanding the acceptability of racist and just plain idiotic rhetoric by politicians is extremely dangerous, and this was an attempt to do that. But it’s not something you should try to debate. (Which, y’know, is kind of on one poster in this thread.) ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/228 "2021-04-18T07:32:29Z")
we even had a member whos spouse was injured by the idiot who drove through the crowd protesting the thing … ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/229 "2021-04-18T07:34:01Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Line by line, subject after subject, this sub-group just looks like they should be twirling their handlebar mustaches Wrong style of moustache. More like toothbrush… ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/230 "2021-04-18T08:04:22Z")
[quote=FTA] “America is a nation with a border, and a culture, strengthened by a common respect for uniquely Anglo-Saxon political traditions. History has shown that societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported _en-masse_ into a country, particularly without institutional support for assimilation and an expansive welfare state to bail them out should they fail to contribute positively to the country,” [/quote] Anglo-Saxons were big into slavery. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/231 "2021-04-18T08:33:35Z")
Gosar is not an especially Anglo-Saxon surname… Fascinating. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/232 "2021-04-18T09:24:11Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > _Illegal_ immigrants. Where did that caucus statement in the OP say anything about the legality of the immigrants in question? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/233 "2021-04-18T09:53:12Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > > > _Illegal_ immigrants. > > Where did that caucus statement in the OP say anything about the legality of the immigrants in question? If you‘re asking about the section that was copy-and-pasted in the OP, it doesn’t seem to; it’s the sentence _after_ that one that makes mention of “immigration, legal as well as illegal,” before the sentences after _that_ one address (a) which would-be immigrants they believe should be allowed in via “legal immigration”, and (b) ramifications for, specifically, “illegal immigration”: _“As such, America’s legal immigration system should be curtailed to those that can contribute not only economically, but have demonstrated respect for this nation’s culture and rule of law. America’s borders must be defended, and illegal immigration must be stopped without exception.”_ ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/234 "2021-04-18T10:03:52Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > If you‘re asking about the section that was copy-and-pasted in the OP, it doesn’t seem to Yes, I am, since _that_ is the exact bit _ **you quoted** _ as “sounds pretty sensible, actually.” Not any other extracts. No mention of “illegal” anything in post No. 8. So was just curious as to when, exactly, those goalposts got shifted. Actually, I’m not wondering at all. Quite obviously this caucus is whistling at exactly your pitch. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/235 "2021-04-18T10:05:24Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@Jas09](#): > > > > Why didn’t they just say “Western European”? At least that would have made sense. Worried folks would have thought they meant the French, God forbid? > > It’s a dog - whistle for “white people”. Not just white people, it’s a dog-whistle for the “right kind” of white people. Their kind of white people. I know for damn sure that no matter how pale I am they’d never consider me a member of their club. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/236 "2021-04-18T10:18:46Z")
“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for ~~white~~ Anglo Saxon children.” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/237 "2021-04-18T10:22:43Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > > > If you‘re asking about the section that was copy-and-pasted in the OP, it doesn’t seem to > > Yes, I am, since _that_ is the exact bit _ **you quoted** _ as “sounds pretty sensible, actually.” Not any other extracts. > > No mention of “illegal” anything in post No. 8. The quoted bit mentions the problem of bailing out those who fail to contribute positively to the country — which I agree sounds pretty sensible — and so it then goes on to argue against legal immigration for those who _won’t_ contribute positively, which I _also_ find sensible. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/238 "2021-04-18T10:41:40Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > > **the long-term existential future of America as a unique country with a unique culture and a unique identity being put at unnecessary risk** > [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > They are racists who are barely even trying to cover their racism with drips and drabs of ‘sensible’ rhetoric. Mmm, this **future** **existence** sounds like something they need to **secure** … you know, [for the children](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words)… You’re right, except there’s not even a cover. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/239 "2021-04-18T13:23:41Z")
CNN reports that the caucus is already dissolved under pressure from the Republican party. So apparently too much even for today’s RNC. [https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/17/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-america-first-caucus/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/17/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-america-first-caucus/index.html) Discourse tells me Rick\_Kitchen already posted the article. > [@Repubs have formed an openly racist caucus](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/204): > > MTG is backing down after getting blowback from the Party. ---
**Author:** ![Kimera757](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimera757/32/3765_2.png) [@Kimera757](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimera757)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/240 "2021-04-18T13:31:08Z")
Benjamin Franklin thought Swedes were swarthy? Bad enough that he was a racist (he used to be a hero of mine until I read this), now I wonder if other racists were laughing at him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207.md?page=13)