# Repubs have formed an openly racist caucus **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 17, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207 "2021-04-17T12:56:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/281 "2021-04-18T21:27:52Z")
Only one of the two is an actual threat. And it’s not the people coming here to pick our lettuce. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/282 "2021-04-18T21:30:56Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > The _only_ possible workable solution? Sounds like a failure of imagination on your part. Just too dumb. What the fuck is this anyway? I thought we had a deal. You said you wouldn’t respond to me as long as I kept insulting you. Well here I am holding up my end by saying that you’re, “Too fucking dumb to get out of your own way,” and you’re going back on your word by responding anyway. What a douche. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/283 "2021-04-18T21:33:17Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > > > The _only_ possible workable solution? Sounds like a failure of imagination on your part. > > Just too dumb. > > What the fuck is this anyway? I thought we had a deal. You said you wouldn’t respond to me as long as I kept insulting you. When did I say I wouldn’t respond to you? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/284 "2021-04-18T21:36:12Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I figure that some folks want open borders, and say so This is a tiny, tiny minority position and I am unaware of any major public figure who advocates it, nor is it the position of the Democratic Party. So against whom is the White Power Caucus arguing? Who are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/285 "2021-04-18T21:44:03Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > When did I say I wouldn’t respond to you? Somewhere in the middle of your non-stop defense of a racist manifesto, that even known racists are backing away from, you implied it. Honestly it’s very difficult to sift through all your posts defending a racist manifesto to find it, and I can see why you’d forget it among all the posts you made defending a racist manifesto. Really, what’s it like being the kind of person who defends a racist manifesto for two straight days? What do you get out of two days of strawmanning and sealioning in defense of a racist manifesto? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/286 "2021-04-18T22:00:48Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > > > When did I say I wouldn’t respond to you? > > Somewhere in the middle of your non-stop defense of a racist manifesto, that even known racists are backing away from, you implied it. Honestly it’s very difficult to sift through all your posts defending a racist manifesto to find it, and I can see why you’d forget it among all the posts you made defending a racist manifesto. You made the claim; you should back it up. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/287 "2021-04-18T22:06:19Z")
I could easily back it up if I felt like it, I even know the post number, but I don’t feel like it, so fuck off. If you can’t keep track of all the stupid shit you posted in this thread, I’m not going to do it for you. Not my problem and I don’t feel like playing your sealion games. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/288 "2021-04-18T22:17:28Z")
You stated that I’m going back on my word. I’m perfectly content to see you add the claim that you could back it up but won’t — that’s what plenty of folks would say if they _couldn’t_, after all — and I’d be just as content if, _every_ time you make a claim going forward, you’d add that you, uh, could totally back it up, but, er, just don’t feel like it, is all, yeah, that’s the ticket. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/289 "2021-04-18T22:21:57Z")
I can see why you’d want to change the subject. I’d be embarrassed too if I posted the shit you did in this thread. However, focusing on a battle you think you can win (you can’t) is not going to erase your days long defense of racism. You’ve been revealed to be an enormous piece of shit and that won’t change whether I back up my claim or not (I can). ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/290 "2021-04-18T22:55:17Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > I could easily back it up if I felt like it, I even know the post number, but I don’t feel like it, so fuck off. This deserves to be on a plaque on the SDMB wall. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/291 "2021-04-19T00:29:23Z")
So the Greene-Gosar Manifesto goes down in flames, showing there still are some things that will make the American Ultraright go _“NO, man! You DON’T come right out and SAY it!”_ That just shows what happens when they try to do it themselves instead of paying one of the professional bullshitters like Bannon. (BTW didn’t The Formerly Orange One also seem to have some sort of bug up his fundament about modernist architecture in public buildings? WTF is it with these people and architecture?) Meanwhile, if there is ever a _People Organically Unable to Back Down Caucus_, they would have a rich recruiting pool among current and former SDMB posters. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/292 "2021-04-19T00:45:33Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > (BTW didn’t The Formerly Orange One also seem to have some sort of bug up his fundament about modernist architecture in public buildings? WTF is it with these people and architecture?) - They’re attracted to mighty erections? ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/293 "2021-04-19T01:06:31Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > It wasn’t that her plan was too racist for Republicans, but that it was too obviously racist. She has yet to learn the Republican (im)plausible deniability trick. Even if no one buys it, as long as they have a strand to hold on to. She’ll get there. Maybe she needs a mentor. That’s only if her goal was to form a caucus or do something governmenty. If her goal was to get a bunch of money - this was exactly the right move. 1. Propose a flat out racist, but sure to fail idea, the racists rush out to give the PAC money. 2. Pull it back after two or three days, with a flimsy excuse. 3. Have “people” float the idea that it was pulled back due to liberal badness of some sort (cancel culture, un-American-ness, chronic halitosis, whatever… it isn’t really important.) and the people who might not have been motivated by the racism, will definitely be motivated by hurting libs and give even more money. 4. repeat every 4-6 months It’s nice, simple, legal, and has the side effect of disrupting the Democratic agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/294 "2021-04-19T01:19:56Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > BTW didn’t The Formerly Orange One also seem to have some sort of bug up his fundament about modernist architecture in public buildings? WTF is it with these people and architecture? They all think they’re Howard Roark. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/295 "2021-04-19T01:22:59Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > You stated that I’m going back on my word. I’m perfectly content to see you add the claim that you could back it up but won’t — that’s what plenty of folks would say if they _couldn’t_, after all — and I’d be just as content if, _every_ time you make a claim going forward, you’d add that you, uh, could totally back it up, but, er, just don’t feel like it, is all, yeah, that’s the ticket. Check out posts 176 - 178. The implied bargain he perceived you to be offering is pretty clearly there. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/296 "2021-04-19T01:29:54Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > The position about “cultural respect” is an ingredient in the sundae of that statement. But it’s not an ingredient like coconut or butterscotch. It’s an ingredient like heroin. That’s a better analogy than mine. Some people find it seems really great when they first start swallowing it; it’s addictive; and it’ll destroy you and everything in your life that you thought you cared about. And the lives of innocents about you who refused to try the stuff. > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > So maybe the solution is to expand legal immigration, increasing or eliminating quotas while using the screening processes currently in place. This would reduce illegal immigration by giving a legal path to many more immigrants and allow the government to maintain the current standards, which seem to be working. > > Do we agree? > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > As far as I can tell, yeah, we do. If that’s what you want, the people who wrote that caucus policy document are most definitely not your friends. They are rather less your friends than the people inviting you down for that nice vacation at their lovely condos if you’ll just give them your birthdate and credit card number. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I figure that some folks want open borders, and say so; and that some folks want open borders, and _don’t_ say so, but instead limit themselves to talking about decriminalizing border crossings, and maybe providing amnesty to anyone who’s been here for a while, and so on, and so on; and that some, who don’t _especially_ want open borders, want to decriminalize border crossings or grant amnesty, and say so — but could, before long, be persuaded to give more and more to _the first two types_ ; and that some want to decriminalize border crossings and grant amnesty, but (a) won’t explicitly say so, and (b) could be persuaded into going even further; and that some folks don’t especially want to decriminalize border crossings or grant amnesty, but aren’t too far off from okaying all of it and maybe more; and some of ‘em _wouldn’t_ budge into getting it wrong. Wow. So you’re perfectly willing to believe that anyone and possibly everyone who says they don’t want open borders actually does want or can easily be gotten to approve entirely open borders; and to use that as an excuse to not vote for people whose policies are exactly what you say you want. But you’re not remotely willing to believe that people blatantly talking about the need to make the USA an “Anglo-Saxon” country could possibly be white supremacists. Doesn’t twisting your mind around like that make your head hurt? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/297 "2021-04-19T01:32:36Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > So you’re perfectly willing to believe that anyone and possibly everyone who says they don’t want open borders actually does want or can easily be gotten to approve entirely open borders No, I said “some of ‘em _wouldn’t_ budge into getting it wrong”. Said it right there in the bit you copy-and-pasted. > [@](#): > > But you’re not remotely willing to believe that people blatantly talking about the need to make the USA an “Anglo-Saxon” country could possibly be white supremacists. No, I’m willing to believe that, too. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/298 "2021-04-19T01:39:36Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Check out posts 176 - 178. The implied bargain he perceived you to be offering is pretty clearly there. ::shrugs:: If so, he’s incorrect: he _is_ welcome to insults if he prefers them, like I said; and, if he changes his mind, I _am_ obliging. His claim: “You said you wouldn’t respond to me as long as I kept insulting you.” That’s — not what I said. His claim: “you’re going back on your word by responding”. But I’m not going back on my word; I didn’t give him my word. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/299 "2021-04-19T01:55:53Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > No, I said “some of ‘em _wouldn’t_ budge into getting it wrong”. Said it right there in the bit you copy-and-pasted. You’re right. I missed that bit, there at the end of all that language about how many people who say they don’t want open borders either are lying or will go along with them anyway. My head was already spinning from the rest of it. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > But you’re not remotely willing to believe that people blatantly talking about the need to make the USA an “Anglo-Saxon” country could possibly be white supremacists. > > No, I’m willing to believe that, too. So you’re agreeing that the people who made the statement you’ve been defending are white supremacists? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/300 "2021-04-19T01:57:53Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > (BTW didn’t The Formerly Orange One also seem to have some sort of bug up his fundament about modernist architecture in public buildings? WTF is it with these people and architecture?) Yes, specifically Brutalism, which was pretty oddly specific. It would _sort_ of make sense if he were only into other styles such as classical or mediterranean, if you ignore the governmental micromanagement, but the original Trump Tower is in the same vaguely-minimal wing of modern architecture but still manages to be as ugly as his gold-plated boardrooms. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207.md?page=16)