# Repubs have formed an openly racist caucus **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 17, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207 "2021-04-17T12:56:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/161 "2021-04-17T21:07:11Z")
The puppy isn’t the reason-The puppy is the excuse…and if there was no puppy he would pretend there was a puppy. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/162 "2021-04-17T21:09:07Z")
Yes, but, whenever one wants to debate the former, you insist on only talking about the latter. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/163 "2021-04-17T21:09:54Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Yes, but, whenever one wants to debate the former, you insist on only talking about the latter. No, I’m happy to debate the former. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/164 "2021-04-17T21:14:21Z")
Okay, so do you think that we should loosen restrictions on immigration, giving people who want to come here a real and reasonable path to immigrate that does not involve having a decades long wait, assuming that they can even get into that line? 'Cause if we did that, then the vast majority of immigrants who come here unlawfully will be able to do so lawfully, and the question of what to do with those who still come here unlawfully becomes much easier to answer. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/165 "2021-04-17T21:20:56Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Okay, so do you think that we should loosen restrictions on immigration, giving people who want to come here a real and reasonable path to immigrate that does not involve having a decades long wait, assuming that they can even get into that line? That sounds great. I suppose my question to you, in turn, would be: what sorts of things, if they turn up in the process that should take less than decades, do you think should produce a ‘no’ from us rather than a ‘yes’? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/166 "2021-04-17T21:28:55Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > That sounds great. I suppose my question to you, in turn, would be: what sorts of things, if they turn up in the process that should take less than decades, do you think should produce a ‘no’ from us rather than a ‘yes’? I’ll start. Virtually everyone agrees that a criminal background should produce a ‘no’. Like, everyone except poorly constructed straw men. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/167 "2021-04-17T21:36:56Z")
seems this is another wedge that’s going to kill the GOP There’s more to it as it goes on to show the general reaction of the moderate GOP members … [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-distances-herself-from-america-first-caucus-plan-knocked-by-key-republicans/ar-BB1fLlL2?li=BB141NW3&ocid=SK2DDHP](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-distances-herself-from-america-first-caucus-plan-knocked-by-key-republicans/ar-BB1fLlL2?li=BB141NW3&ocid=SK2DDHP) ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/168 "2021-04-17T21:41:28Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > When it says “imported,” it means imported. And it’s not a quibble. Yeah, the term “imported” is quite objectifying. Human beings migrate; objects are “imported”. We sometimes speak of businesses “importing” foreign workers for specific tasks, but I don’t think that’s the type of immigration these guys are trying to get their constituents riled up about. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/169 "2021-04-17T21:43:21Z")
Wow. Freedom Caucus member and one of the most conservative members of congress Ken Buck can see it. I wonder why @The_Other_Waldo_Pepper can’t? > > > Punchbowl News @PunchbowlNews ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/170 "2021-04-17T21:46:31Z")
House minority leader Kevin McCarthy sees it. Somehow still a mystery to @The_Other_Waldo_Pepper. > ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/171 "2021-04-17T21:47:03Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Wow. Freedom Caucus member and one of the most conservative members of congress Ken Buck can see it. I wonder why @The_Other_Waldo_Pepper can’t? …what, precisely, do you think I’m not seeing? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/172 "2021-04-17T21:53:51Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > …what, precisely, do you think I’m not seeing? Ok. You see the hatefulness and ignorance of American history and values. Good to know that you’re getting all that and still find the need to defend parts of it as ‘sensible’. You’re starting to come off, more than a bit, as a total piece of shit, FYI. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/173 "2021-04-17T21:54:59Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Ok. You see the hatefulness and ignorance of American history and values. Good to know that you’re getting all that and still find the need to defend parts of it as ‘sensible’. As you say: _parts_ of it. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/174 "2021-04-17T21:58:01Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > As you say: _parts_ of it. What kind of human garbage reads through a screed, that he recognizes as hateful and ignorant of American history and values, looking for parts to defend? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/175 "2021-04-17T21:59:04Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > As you say: _parts_ of it. Do you really pick berries out of shit and eat them? Because that’s what you’re trying to do here, and then wondering why people think you stink. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/176 "2021-04-17T21:59:22Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > > > As you say: _parts_ of it. > > What kind of human garbage reads through a screed, that he recognizes as hateful and ignorant of American history and values, looking for parts to defend? Are the insults necessary? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/177 "2021-04-17T22:00:11Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Are the insults necessary? Absolutely. Dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/178 "2021-04-17T22:00:56Z")
If you prefer that to discussion, you’re welcome to it; if you change your mind, I’m obliging. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/179 "2021-04-17T22:01:37Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > _Dangit,_ I’d say to myself with a sigh, _I sure wish either of these candidates only signed on for the two criteria I like; but if I’m choosing between these guys? Okay, looks like one of them agrees with me on five other issues, but disagrees with me on three…_ Person A disagrees with me about whether the government should allow alcohol sales, at what exact percentage of income taxes should be levied, whether decisions about building a large bridge in my town should be made at least partially in my community or only at the state or Federal level, whether Facebook should be allowed to sell my info based on somebody else’s consent, and whether it’s a bright idea to have two or three large companies wind up owning almost all the genetic diversity of farm crops. Person B agrees with me on all of that; but disagrees with me about whether they ought to be allowed to murder, exile, and/or enslave me and significant numbers of the rest of the human inhabitants of the country. Do you really seriously think that it’s remotely rational for me to vote for Person B? And do you really think I’m going to be happy about it if you say ‘four items of agreement are better than one, so I’m voting for B’? > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Well, no — but if someone tortures and murders, and then mentions that he thinks arson should be illegal, I’m going to say, _hey, I disagree with that guy about torture and murder, and we should look into locking him up; but I’m not going to back down on my anti-arson stance just because he’s anti-arson, because that would be absurd._ Strawman. Nobody’s saying that if you disagree overall with a racist statement, that you have to disavow everything that appears to be agreed with in that statement. That would indeed be absurd. But it’s not remotely the same thing as disavowing the people who made the statement, or the statement itself taken as a whole, because of the entirety of what they said. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Like I said, if the next election involves a Democrat who _doesn’t_ take an open-borders stance, then he can put a sundae up against shit and earn my vote; but I’m not ruling out the possibility that he’ll offer up open-borders shit What, precisely, do you mean by open borders? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/180 "2021-04-17T22:02:55Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Somehow still a mystery to @The_Other_Waldo_Pepper. He sees it. He’s just refusing to acknowledge the racism or talk about the racism. He is **desperately** trying to re-frame this whole thread into “policies about immigration” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207.md?page=10)